Original Head Type - Proper debate placement

[CrazyK9]

I understand you getting defensive, I do. I would never say anything to that extent myself, only that I disagree with breeding bull terriers in many, many cases. I have never been one to say that an extreme head is completely handicapping. I don't know that. I do have an issue with many bull terriers being fat, BUT I have also seen thin ones that still have that disgusting lack of tuck lol so I realize its genetics.

 

[digs]

well,i tend to take comments such as
"all egg-headed dogs are useless blobs"
a wee bit personal because i have an egg headed dog and he can do alot, i dont mind people telling me they dont like the look of it or they thinnk its disgusting, fine thats an opinion, but for a pitbull person whos never owned a BT to come and say they cant DO anything, well thats just not true.


another thing that grinds on my nerves is that bull terriers without a "tuck" up to the backbone is somehow an "obese" dog.

i also dislike seeing dogs whos lives and health are affected due to extreme breeding like german shepards,dachsunds, english bull dogs, and yes i HATE the extreme headed bull terriers being produced nowdays its...awful to say the least now i like a thick eggh ead butsome of these dogs jsut look horrendous being created nowdays

Do you not see the vicious cycle?

the first generation wanted functional looking dogs,slowly they added an exageration but just a slight one.

the next generation thought this slight exageration was normal and made it slightly worse (no doubt the earlier generations were as disgusted as you) and so it carried on until we end up in the sorry state we're in today,were you're disgusted at the next gens abominations being slightly worse than your own.


why not just break the cycle and breed based on function?
there are no opinions there,just fact.

 

[xchairity_casex]

because, people somehow think that a nice curve is not functional, while it doesnt have a perticular role an egg headed dog CAN function just as well as a normal faced dog. Cesars head functions just fine he can drink water fine, he holds fine he catches things fine.

so,i see nothing wrong with a curved head. now an extreme curve in the head, thats just....no good they should stick to the standard and the judges who allow dogs like that to win or even BE in the dog shows need to take there personal prefrences, and the "in " thing out of the show ring and stick to the written standard when judging.

 

[WorkingBullTerrier]

My dog has more of an extreme curved head than yours does. Yours is one of the 'better' modern day shapes IMO.

I understand that people in the past on OTHER threads may have made ignorant direct comments about peoples dogs, but that doesn't excuse anyone to come onto productive threads like this and be a$$holes towards people. I know that I DO own BT's, and I have never said that 'egg headed BT's can't do anything'....... I have simply stated what I have OBSERVED with my own eyes in regards to the hindering affects. I've never directly insulted anyone's individual dog either.

 

[WorkingBullTerrier]

Here's a quick shot of my Shiner dog, who still has plenty of maturing to do. He was about 8mths old in this photo, he just turned 10mths old last week. I'm trying to find a good profile shot of him to show the downward dip he has of his profile.....

 

[Mrpedigree]

You cant just base an opinion on an aspect of a breed because youve owned one or two dogs ,can we all be agreed that's stupid ?
Like i have said ,i have been around a while lol ,and over the years I have seen heads of all different shapes and sizes and i can tell you now that head shape has little to do with bite strength or how long a dog will hold its grip for,grip strength is down to the individual dog and not head shape .
As i said earlier I have seen rounder headed dogs hold on just as long as flat headed dogs ,i have also seen both that are useless at any grip games etc
If your dog has issues with holding on with holding on then its down to him ,its not head or breed specific .

 

[xchairity_casex]

i know you didnt WorkingBullTerrier, thats why i came in to explain why some of us on here are getting a lil ticked off and become rude about it. we have TRIED to have civil discussions about hthis in the past and it hasnt turned out to well as many times the pit people basically
say "we are right, you are wrong thats that"

I personally prefere threads where people post pictures of differant types of BTs back and forth and talk about whath tey like/ dislike about each one thats a nice descussion for me.

and i think your boy is VERY handsome! i like a wide range of Bull Terriers, apart of the reason i so enjoy the breed is you can have sooo many differant looks with ONE dog, can get that with poodles or beagles or labradors! you can have a lean dog with massive curve or a thin head with thin body or a thick dog with a thick head or a lack of curve and lots of muscles its great!
my little girl Chimera im hopeing will have a nice curve to her head about like Cesars only a bit thicker, but however it turns out i dont care shes a wonderful girl and i adore her.

 

[Mrpedigree]

Here's a quick shot of my Shiner dog, who still has plenty of maturing to do. He was about 8mths old in this photo, he just turned 10mths old last week. I'm trying to find a good profile shot of him to show the downward dip he has of his profile.....

not being funny mate ,although he has got a good profile, i still wouldn't class his head as overly that round or standardized !

 

[CallSignOWL]

that head doesnt look bad at all. Nice puppeh!

 

[WorkingBullTerrier]

I have plenty of experience with bull and terrier breeds, as I have said. This isn't a 'my d**k is bigger than yours' competition. That's beside the point. I have had experience actually WORKING along side different specimens of the breed. Not just showing in a ring, or BREEDING, or playing fetch in the backyard or tug the rope for fun. So my experiences are what I would consider a bit more diverse and even extreme than yours. It is what it is and I am calling it how I see it. That's nice that you've been around a while. Just because you have produced a number of litters over the years does not make you an expert in ALL aspects of the breed, certainly not the working aspect.

 

[WorkingBullTerrier]

i know you didnt WorkingBullTerrier, thats why i came in to explain why some of us on here are getting a lil ticked off and become rude about it. we have TRIED to have civil discussions about hthis in the past and it hasnt turned out to well as many times the pit people basically
say "we are right, you are wrong thats that"

I personally prefere threads where people post pictures of differant types of BTs back and forth and talk about whath tey like/ dislike about each one thats a nice descussion for me.

and i think your boy is VERY handsome! i like a wide range of Bull Terriers, apart of the reason i so enjoy the breed is you can have sooo many differant looks with ONE dog, can get that with poodles or beagles or labradors! you can have a lean dog with massive curve or a thin head with thin body or a thick dog with a thick head or a lack of curve and lots of muscles its great!
my little girl Chimera im hopeing will have a nice curve to her head about like Cesars only a bit thicker, but however it turns out i dont care shes a wonderful girl and i adore her.

I thank you for the compliment on my dog, and I thank you for coming on here and having a healthy, respectful discussion!

 

[WorkingBullTerrier]

not being funny mate ,although he has got a good profile, i still wouldn't class his head as overly that round or standardized !

I don't think he is too extreme, but definately more curved than I would prefer. I love him nontheless though. I have seen some pretty crazy oddly shaped heads, with wierd eye placement and all.

 

[CrazyK9]

I like this dog. I would never own a dog like this myself though. If I were to ever get a bull terrier it would be more terrier type.

This ones not too bad either.

 

[WorkingBullTerrier]

The second one is pretty nice....I THINK it looks like a mini....

 

[CrazyK9]

I will have to check but I think they both are. Every single picture I picked out was of mini bull terriers. I guess its cause they are more square?

 

[CrazyK9]

Ok, no the first one is standard, but, yes, the second one is a mini

 

[xchairity_casex]

Thought i would post a few pipc of the "extreme" dogs being bred

dont even want to know how that pup grew up!

 

[CallSignOWL]

^ woah...it almost looks like they are breeding for elephant trunks!

 

[WorkingBullTerrier]

OMG.....yeah, that's extreme. And sad.

 

[WorkingBullTerrier]

I've noticed that most mini's I've seen including my own have straighter type profiles.....