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Original Head Type - Proper debate placement

Discussion in 'Bull Terrier' started by WorkingBullTerrier, Sep 16, 2012.

  1. Mrpedigree

    Mrpedigree Big Dog

    I have been around our breed all my life and can tell you now in my experience bite strength has very little to do with head shape .
    I have seen round profile headed dogs that can hang off stuff for as long as they like and i have also seen dogs with lesser profiles do the same,and then have seen both head types not wanna do fcuk all in the way of anything like it:lol:
    When we are talking about bite performance/strength My findings are its very much down to the individual dog,i could go out of my way to post pics /vids of the dogs i have owned/bred hanging off spring poles etc but what would be the point ? it will only get pissed on by a thread that has its own agenda !
    Its strange that most of these types of threads are created by APBT owners or Bull terrier owners with flat head profiles ? just sayin :rolleyes:


     
  2. Number one sir......you can get the hell off my thread if you can't debate like a damn adult. Telling someone to shut the **** up because you don't like or agree with what they say is pure childish and immature, and ignorant to boot. I've never once spoken to you that way.

    Number two, yes, I am also an APBT owner, AND a BT owner and Patterdale owner, etc......AND owner
    of BT's that DON'T have flat heads! But I would love it if they DID! WTF does that have to do with anything? Quit trying to convince yourself that just because someone prefers a flatter/original head, that that MUST mean that said person is jelous or that their own BT must have a flat head.

    Number three, I never SAID head shape hinderd BITE power or pressure.....I SAID it hindered how long they can stay in hold on objects,or prey, in my case, a hog when hog hunting.

    Yeah, I've been around bull and terrier breeds since I was in diapers too, does that in theory make me knowledgable about them? Yes. Does that flat out mean I am a got-damned breed expert? HELL NO. I still learn things every day from my dogs, and about my dogs. Been around the breed doing what anyway? Trotting them in the show ring? Breeding ribbon champion to ribbon champion? Good for you, if that's your cup of tea!!!!
    I've shown my share of dogs too, and had fun doing it, but working my dogs and performing the tasks they were bred to do is and always has been and always will be my number one passion.


    I like it how with you being such a self proclaimed expert and all, you STILL have yet to respond to the inquiries made here in regards to WHY the head has been made so exaggerated........
     
  3. Yeah, this is happening in other breeds too as you mentioned. The 'American Bully' especially. Sway backs, horrid hips, turned out elbows....ugh. If man keeps breeding for these deformities, the life span of some of these dogs is going to get shorter and shorter and shorter.....and quality of life poorer....
    Guess it doesn't matter though, so long as people think they 'look cool.'
    :/
     
  4. CrazyK9

    CrazyK9 Good Dog

    I would still like to hear peoples take on the neurological issues this breed suffers from. Do you think it has anything to do with skull shape or just a terrible side effect of breeding for looks in general?
     
  5. Good topic CrazyK9. I've worked in the veterinary field for many years, and I've seen my share of healthy BT's, but also the ones ith problems, as in most breeds. I do find it interesting that most of the issues with the OCD and the 'Rage' have been of recent years prominantly. I would love to see some sort of study done on this to see if the skull shape has anything to do with it. We certainly cannot rule this out without scientific evidence!!!
     
  6. I do believe that as far as the OCD or 'tail chasing' issue goes, they may be close to coming up with a screening test for this condition, to eliminate any dogs from breeding stock with this issue....I'm trying to find more on it....
     
  7. Mrpedigree

    Mrpedigree Big Dog

    I have said my bit on this thread like i have many others like it ,you can take your leave my opinion ,it doesnt bother me what u do. ...so i am done.
    but before i go as i said please point out where i say i like "parrot heads" ...ether quote me or apologize .


     
  8. CrazyK9

    CrazyK9 Good Dog

    Yes, I have read that there is a study going on.
    Participants still needed for the Tufts tail chasing study! BTNeuro.org
     
  9. xchairity_casex

    xchairity_casex Good Dog

    @workingbullterrier-
    if it seems Mr.Pedigree is a bit "childish" its beause we have been here for quite sometime andh ave dealt with many rude,insulting things from the APBT people who try to insist that Egg headed dogs CANT DO ANYTHING that all of them are ugly and terrible and have 0 drive.
    im sure gerry is tierd (as am i) of argueing the point that not all egg-headed BT are lazy fat blobs with no ability or drive to do anything.
    it gets frustrating becuase in several threads many BT people HAVE posted videos and photo proof of egg-headed dogs being athletic and DOING things only to hear from APBT people
    "that doesnt count" we need more proof,well here you go "no that doesnt count either" its annoying and i refuse to argue the point anymore. my male has an egg shape to his head, its not extreme, its not flat he can drink water just fine, he can chase and catch things jsut fine he has a a perfect bite in his teeth and has no problems holding onto things.

    and who cares if the egg shape was developed for looks? alot of breeders were created to have a specific look, so what? whats done is done, what i want to know is why everyone is against pets? whats wrong with docile calm PETS? why is everyone against dogs who are capible of living with other dogs and kids and other pets like cats? people on here are begining to remind me of PETA, wanting to kill off all dogs just because they are mellow and laid back pets that more people are able to handle and control and love.

    seems to me alot of the people on here think "if the dog doesnt have the drive to kill anything that moves it shouldnt be alive"


    as far as the skull shape directly causeing neurological issues, no i donot belive that all purebred dogs suffer from gentic issues, its due to them being PUREBRED many purebred dogs were inbred to continue a line or a look (even in pits) cocker spaniels dont have egg shaped heads but htey suffer from rage syndrome.

    you could just as easily get dogs with gentic issues from dogs who were bred solely for hunting or fighting if the breeder has a good dog and inbred it again and again, youll end up with unstable off-spring with lord knows what type of gentic issues.
     
  10. xchairity_casex

    xchairity_casex Good Dog

    i was typing before when this was posted. you say its been very recently, again i doubt it has to do directly with head shape but if you notice most recently the "puppy" selling bussiness has blown up, as has the "extreme" head in BTs, i know quite a few breeders on FB who breed for the extreme heads and they are inbreeding ALOT, i can imagine that has alot to do with it, poor breeding practices more so then the actual skull shape but thats just my opinion
     
  11. After reading what you have written, I CAN see where you may be coming from. But let me clarify, that *I* myself in this particular 'head debate' am NOT personally attacking anyone, nor their dogs. My dogs ALL hunt, yet they ALL can be in the house, with my small kids, and be perfectly very well behaved. None of my dogs are blood thirsty killers just because I hunt with them, lol. I am very content as well with having a dog solely as a companion. I honestly do not care what others do with their dogs, or don't do for that matter. I've treated hundreds of dogs over the years whose sole purpose was to be someone's companion/buddy. I do not judge people's dogs negatively by what they can or can't do. I worry about my own. I know what my own dogs are capable of. But when it comes to the general health or well being of an animal, I can and will put my opinion out there.
     
  12. Also, I care about the extreme head shape being developed for looks, because it hinders the dog's daily life. I see it here with my own eyes, with my own dogs. I feel that that is very selfish of humans to do so. I know all breeds have their 'looks'.....but purposely breeding for a borderline deformity is unethical in my eyes.
     
  13. Yes, I am sure poor breeding practices have everything to do with the health issues, in all breeds.
     
  14. CrazyK9

    CrazyK9 Good Dog

    The only time I have seen anyone talk down about egg shaped heads is when someone posts a new topic about a non egg shaped headed dog and mrpedigree comes in and starts shit! That is absolutely childish!

    You know, I hate breeds that are bred so physically abnormal. I don't like seeing dogs bred to be show dogs or pets. I think if you want a pet, go to the shelter or a breeder who has a dog who turned out not to be working quality. Working ability should be number one priority in any breed. that means breeding for a physically capable dog and mentally capable too. The fact that people are willing to breed a dog for a certain look despite it affecting the quality of the dogs life, sickens me.
     
  15. We are definatley on the same page.....
     
  16. adjecyca

    adjecyca Good Dog

    I agree
     
  17. xchairity_casex

    xchairity_casex Good Dog

    well,i tend to take comments such as
    "all egg-headed dogs are useless blobs"
    a wee bit personal because i have an egg headed dog and he can do alot, i dont mind people telling me they dont like the look of it or they thinnk its disgusting, fine thats an opinion, but for a pitbull person whos never owned a BT to come and say they cant DO anything, well thats just not true.


    another thing that grinds on my nerves is that bull terriers without a "tuck" up to the backbone is somehow an "obese" dog.

    i also dislike seeing dogs whos lives and health are affected due to extreme breeding like german shepards,dachsunds, english bull dogs, and yes i HATE the extreme headed bull terriers being produced nowdays its...awful to say the least now i like a thick eggh ead butsome of these dogs jsut look horrendous being created nowdays :(
     
  18. digs

    digs Puppy

    very good post,it's no different than people who keep their dogs obese imo.

    It's upsetting that the dogs want to function but because of cruel owners and breeders they can't.
     

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