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Original Head Type - Proper debate placement

Discussion in 'Bull Terrier' started by WorkingBullTerrier, Sep 16, 2012.

  1. Here, here's a new thread instead of continually hi-jacking the previous thread.

    Subjective??? Really???

    So then it's just "subjective" of me to see it as rediculous and sad that my dog cxan't even DRINK WATER normally because of how his head is shaped? Or that my dog can't stay in hold on a tug toy as long as he should because his nostrils get plugged and his breathing becomes restricted? OOOOOOH but that's okay right? Because people liked the LOOKS of the exaggerated head, so they are breeding JUST for that, that and the straight stifle rear. Those "jack russel" headed dogs as you called them, were the ORIGIN of this breed! How this breed was CREATED, and how it should have stayed. There are PLENTY of breeds that look as they did when they were originated! The BT is one of the top breeds that have deviated from the ORIGINAL breed standard. Quality of life....subjective....omfg. That is SUCH a selfish statement. Yeah, your username does say it all. Breed solely for looks, regardless of the hindering negative effects on the dog. Fu** the dog's quality of life huh. So disgusting. Oh, and a 2 second google search shows PLENTY of kennels in Mexico breeding those boomerang headed type dogs. That was another ignorant statement claiming that an entire locale 'doesn't know how to breed' a dog just because you saw a few from there that look NORMAL. Just wow.

    If you don't like the original head type, stay off the threads pertaining to them with your ignorant comments. You state you like the parrot heads, for the LOOK. That is an opinion. A few of us admire the more normal, original type head structure, for more than just the look.....but for the dog's FUNCTION, and well being. If I wanted to breed/feed/own an animal based solely off of my selfish preference for LOOKS and looks alone, I'd get a damn pedigreed CAT. Don't matter if they can't so shit but lay around, eat, shat, and occasionally chase a rolling ball.

    I care more about the breed/individual dog than JUST how they look.
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  2. Kamdon

    Kamdon GRCH Dog

    Re: For MrPedigree.....Proper debate placement

    So I want the EXPERT to answer why the head was changed so much from what it was to what it is.

    Please no one else answer it.
  3. SamThePitbull

    SamThePitbull Good Dog

    I tend to agree with the OP. I think the egg head was bred soley for looks and it limits function.

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  4. adjecyca

    adjecyca Good Dog

    THANK YOU for starting a different thread, and i agree the bull terriers head may not have fucked it over as much as say, the english bull dogs, but it was still purely for looks and does effect the dogs function
  5. cliffdog

    cliffdog Good Dog

    THAT is what I am saying. If people keep coming into threads on original head type to bitch about how they don't like it, I think we should all go to threads on THEIR dogs and tell them why we think THEIR dogs are wrong and we don't like them. Maybe you wouldn't like a taste of your own medicine?
  6. cliffdog

    cliffdog Good Dog

    PLEASE point out to me the post where anyone said "Hey! ALL NORMAL-HEADED DOGS ARE GREAT WORKING DOGS!! And NO round-headed dogs are!"
    If you breed for shit you'll probably GET shit, whether it's shit with a normal head or shit with a round head. But the round head has no positive benefit for work PERIOD. A dog with a round head tells me that dog has been bred for looks for several generations, not working ability.
  7. Thanks guys. And thanks K9 Love for making the title better.
    I'd like to see where this goes. I feel that every breed was made/created for a purpose/function, and deviating so greatly from a breed's origin is such a shame, when based solely on LOOKS. Specifically when said looks affect said dog in a negative manner. It just makes me sick, to see people focus SO hard on selective breeding just to make a head shape more extreme....for no purpose other than LOOKS.

    I can see breeding selectively for traits in breeds.....when it comes to improving function.....but this whole focusing on the head shape extreme deal JUST because 'people like how it looks' is just plain crazy.

    I also just love it how when some of us post up photos of straighter profiled (same as the ORIGINAL BT dogs), or less exaggerated profiled dogs, and that handful of people will jump on and are so quick to label them 'poorly bred.' Really? Get the hell outta here. :ummm:
  8. Pink

    Pink GRCH Dog

    That's pitiful.. He can't drink water normally? How does he drink? Poor dogs.. :no2:
  9. SamThePitbull

    SamThePitbull Good Dog

    I agree with this. I dont think its right to change features in a dog just for looks. They arent Coach purses that are meant to be flaunted, they're our partners and friends. To say that it's ok to harm a dog just so it "looks cool" is wrong, IMO. This is why Im also against cropping in general.

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  10. Beki

    Beki Good Dog Premium Member

    I agree with this to some extent............in some breeds, cropping of the ear and or docking of tails is for the soul purpose of helping the dog carry out the function in which it was bred to do.
  11. My Shiner dog is AKC pedigreed, based off of a line of show dogs. He was given to me by some dear friends as a gift. I use this dog to do everything my other bull and terriers do. He has the DRIVE, and the heart, but he has limitations due to his head structure. Once I have the proper health tests conducted on him, and I decide to breed him within my yard of working stock, I will be selectively breeding for the straighter/original profile. If any dog in my working stock ever gets bred here, the dogs are paired by their performing abilities, and by which two dogs will comliment eachother, or have a good chance in 'fixing' the others faults if any. My husband has a Mini BT bitch, that is a superb hunter. Her profile is not near as extreme as my Shiner dog's, and she performs her working tasks amazing.

    I think alot of the folks that prefer the original type heads are folks who can fully understand and repsect a dog's original purpose and function. Generally speaking, John Q. Public probably could give two shits about what a breed was created for....they just want something that looks 'rare' or 'unique' or whatever to occasionaly walk around their neighborhood or take out places in public. I've spoken to a woman who runs a very prominent BT rescue, and it is well known that even though they are pricey, there are ALOT of BT's aquired for the reasons aforementioned, and then when their true bull and terrier spirit emerges, most find that they are 'too much dog' for them, and they end up in rescue. Most of the BT's today, even with the extreme heads, etc, DO have the heart and drive, it's just that they either aren't fully physically capable of, or allowed, to express/act on it in a productive manner. Man I could go on.......
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  12. K9 Love

    K9 Love Good Dog

    No problem ;)

    I don't know jack shit about BT's specifically, but I don't see how their head shape is beneficial to any type of working dog. I feel the breed ring exaggerates certain traits and qualities unnecessarily, or just because they can now.

    I also agree 100% that just because someone owns, or breeds BT's without that wonky looking head (cute as it can be!), does not mean that it's poorly bred. Many breeds have a serious gap between breed ring and sporting/working dogs when it comes not only to structure/phyiscal appearance, but obviously temperament as well. In my personal view, there's an obvious reason for the huge differences and its' not a good one.

    I would like to hear the response as to why exactly was head shaped changed so drastically and to serve what exact purpose? A clear, definitive answer as to how this head change relates to the breeds working ability. :)
  13. I will try and get a video of it. Both Shiner and Willie, my little Mini BT, can't drink 'normally.'
    The tips of their noses with they way they are angled get submerged into the ater as they are trying to slurp and it makes them reverse sneeze, and drink very oddly....pretty hard to explain in words, I'd have to show you guys.....
  14. I'd like to hear it too, because thus far.....all I've heard is that it's been done because people like the way it LOOKS. Nothing more.
  15. Mrpedigree

    Mrpedigree Big Dog

    Have you even read what i have said on other threads ? i hate the parrot heads or over exaggerated type head :confused:

    right please point out where i say i like "parrot heads" ...ether quote me or STFU !!
    I think u best keep your mouth shut .
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  16. SamThePitbull

    SamThePitbull Good Dog

    Oh agree for that part. If it has an actual function then its acceptable. But doing it just for looks I cant agree with.

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  17. TannerG

    TannerG Boss Member

    I love me some original head

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  18. SamThePitbull

    SamThePitbull Good Dog

    Lol that sounds wrong hahaha

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  19. CallSignOWL

    CallSignOWL Good Dog

    I always thought that "parrot" head looked wonky. I much prefer the BTs with more "natural" looking heads. Its a real shame when people prefer exaggerations over their dog's physical health. Its much like how show Neo mastiffs are so wrinkly they cant even see, or Bulldogs with no noses, or AmBullies with huge heads, overly wide chests and sway backs...life just does not look comfortable for those animals!
  20. SamThePitbull

    SamThePitbull Good Dog


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