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Opinion of Pet Smart's puppy training classes.

Discussion in 'Obedience & Sports' started by StevenNeill, Dec 20, 2012.

  1. davidfitness83

    davidfitness83 Good Dog

    So you did this with yourfirst dog without any help from a trainer?
  2. MissKitty

    MissKitty Little Dog

    ..........Really? I don't see anywhere that she this is her first dog and she has never been to a trainer.

    You said that NO puppy could EVER be trained at home. People are going to disagree with that blanket statement.
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  3. davidfitness83

    davidfitness83 Good Dog

    any dog can be taught stuff at home, the real test is having the dog perform those behaviors in public with a million distractions where it really matters. that is my point, it's not that complicated.
  4. TannerG

    TannerG Boss Member

    where did i say OP should do home training over formal training hmmmmm
  5. MissKitty

    MissKitty Little Dog

    No. You said-

    Which is not true. Plenty of 'home-schooled' dogs can perform very well with distractions. My dog is one of them.

    Making wide sweeping statements like that is just stupid.
  6. TannerG

    TannerG Boss Member

  7. LilianaLove

    LilianaLove GRCH Dog

    I think you're misidentifying dominance. Dominance is not 'doing what they want without regard to what you want'. Dominance is a dog actively attempting to keep what it thinks is a higher rank or increase its rank by acting in a way that exerts power over the owner or intimidates the owner. A dominant dog not only does not obey commands, it willfully intimidates the owner such that the owner does not attempt to demand the action again.

    What you're describing is not dominance. What you're describing is puppies testing boundaries, learning what is and is not acceptable. All puppies will do this, even 100% biddable dogs, because they do not know what is and is not wrong if they don't occasionally make mistakes. Many dogs will go through an adolescent period where they will test the waters to see if you will truly enforce your rules. They typically try to get on the bed when you don't tell them to, place the 'chasey chasey' game instead of recalling, bark at you when you tell them to sit. This isn't dominance, it's just pushing boundaries. It's asshole adolescent dog behavior.

    So no. I have never had a dominance issue with any dog. And if you're truly having dominance issues with chihuahuas, well, IDK what to tell you other than pick those fuckers up and put them where they belong.
  8. FransterDoo

    FransterDoo Big Dog

    The thing I ask people to keep in mind is that anyone with the money can buy a bite sleeve or a suit and a stick and "train protection" and most of those people should not be training protection in ANY way, shape or form. There's one guy local to us that I'd like to see disappear.

    Conversely, while the PetSmart program means that there are some truly awful trainers - there are also some great trainers out there. In fact, there are 2 PetSmarts in California with trainers who have working Mals. One has one of the best dock divers in the country too - and she taught my youngest to down when he was just a wee lad fresh off the plane.

    and if you do really want to do agility, start looking around for a good agility trainer. Someone who competes at a higher level, has a good tool box of training techniques and, above all - someone you and your dogs click with.
  9. TannerG

    TannerG Boss Member

    where are those pet smarts in california
  10. JJeanae

    JJeanae Good Dog

    Not to be a pain in the ass, but do you HONESTLY think this is true??? I know a ton of people with insanely well trained dogs and those dogs never stepped foot in front of paid trainer. My cousin is a hunter and his dogs were trained in his tiny, middle-of-the-city backyard. Next thing those dogs knew they were working with gunshots going off, doing exactly what they were trained to do.

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  11. ssmiechowski

    ssmiechowski Big Dog

    I didn't read the rest of the responses after yours..
    I would like to say though, that my dog was trained by me, by myself without any help. My dog performs his job with a million distractions. Granted, it's not the type of activities you are talking about, but it is in an area that the dog must be focuses on his job.
    I guess I would like to say that your statement was too broad. But hey, who cares. You were thinking "in general" when it comes to specific types of activities. Either way, i think basic types of training can be accomplished at home if the person knows what they are doing. To each their own,
  12. JJeanae

    JJeanae Good Dog

    Very sharp would be telling people who have trained their dogs at home, that it can't be done.

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  13. JJeanae

    JJeanae Good Dog

    Oh. Also have a friend with 3 rescue bullys. All trained at home, by her. All have CGC's and are certified therapy dogs and work as such. But, riiiiiight, it can't be done. :/

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  14. davidfitness83

    davidfitness83 Good Dog

    read this, i think you are confusing dominance:

    Dominant Dogs

    this is just a.silly internet article, but it makes a lot of sense in my opinion. maybe you have very soft dogs and got lucky lol i wonder how bulldog types train for psa at the club i was reffered to and get titled since they train with herders? i saw one in fact pass both the obedience and protection phase.
  15. davidfitness83

    davidfitness83 Good Dog

    i have a friend that knows a friend that knows another friend who knows afriend....
  16. davidfitness83

    davidfitness83 Good Dog

    What titles have you earned with your dog ?
  17. davidfitness83

    davidfitness83 Good Dog

    really? now yyou are going to play dumb ?
  18. davidfitness83

    davidfitness83 Good Dog

    What do you think i mean by training ?
  19. davidfitness83

    davidfitness83 Good Dog

    I value the breed type so much that I would do everything in my power to make sure I have an exceptional canine citizen. I don't care what people think about my methods, I care about the results. I also do not care to spend money on training, if you can't afford training then don't get a dog. It really is that simple, this breed is the most hated in the world and my goal is to change someone's mind about it or to show how great they can be when they meet mine. I know I don't own the APBT but in the eyes of the public that is what they would call it if it ever did something bad. This is why I don't suggest experimenting when puppy hood is so short and it's the perfect window to imprint behaviors.

    To everyone that continues to argue against me, use common sense a little bit please. It is obvious that you can teach your dog stuff at home, this is what people do not understand. Anyone can train their dog at home, the real test is when you need your dog to be obedient in case of a scenario that can be dangerous or detrimental to the breed. Experienced people have enough distractions at home and the resources to do their own training in public but that's not the average first time owner.

    Let's not twist reality here, the breed is extremely powerful and it can do a lot of damage maybe the most damage out of any breed if it decides to do it. Someone suggested these dogs are soft and lack dominance, I am sorry but I dressage completely, you correct a lab puppy and it immediately gets the point, A bulldog or mastiff will keep trying to get their way. In fact I think the fighting breeds take corrections a lot better than most breeds, they get the point and do not shut down like the rest. Maybe it's the few puppies I have dealt with but bulldogs are dominant and they are cocky.

    why take a chance? why act so cool and think that you guys know everything and that a reputable trainer isn't necessary? What is the OP going to accomplish by listening to a few people giving advice on a board? Let the OP investigate and speak to trainers in real life and let that person decide the best route. What worked for some of you may not work for others. Just like not every dog is going to be the same, every dog is different and temperaments/drives vary. The only tangible is the fact that a reputable training class will provide the TOOLS to make this happen with the commitment of the owner. For the love of the breed let's help people set their dogs up for success and treat every case the most utter care.
  20. kayla baxter

    kayla baxter Big Dog

    No puppy classes, an 8 week basic class at 6 months, 4 weeks of rally class just to practice the signs as all the behaviors were taught at home. This was the first dog I raised completely alone from a puppy. At 12 months he came as demo dog for the classes I was assisting with and from 14-20 months he was my KPA working dog while I was in school. My newest pup came to a handful of my classes from 11-15 weeks and that's it and he's ready for rally now as well. There are a million other ways to train for distractions, I bring the pup to work four days a week in a pet store and work him while we're there. I took my other boy out to parks, stores, busy parking lots etc to get him accustomed to working around distractions.

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