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Old Tyme EBT site

Discussion in 'Bull Terrier' started by mottatron, Dec 22, 2009.

  1. toros

    toros Puppy

    i like this site and them dogs good look to them
  2. AmberABCg

    AmberABCg Puppy

    Barry, anyone who has whelped a litter or has bred their dog is by definition a 'breeder', so who are the gate-keepers of the breed? Anyone and everyone, all of us.

    <<<i wish this post was cross posted into the other forums for rufus and amber and kingy to read.>>>


    This website has been around a while and HAS been posted on numerous forums in the past. It is a wonderful bit of information. It bewilders me that you think so many on other forums aren't aware of the origin nor evolution of the breed (for better or worse depending on your point of view). For many years, myself and many other bull terrier fanciers, have collected bull terrier books, letters, photographs, and collectables which document the origins and history of the bull terrier. I have friends who write these books, friends who got their dogs from Raymond Oppenheimer, and friends (now deceased) who owned bull terriers as far back as 1917.

    I don't have a problem with differing opinions, just with those who deliberately 'bend the truth' for arguments sake. You stated on another thread that you weren't a breeder. I assumed that since you advertised Bowzer as a stud dog on internet classifieds, he had been bred. According to your posts on this forum, he was 16 mos old in October , and one classified ad was placed in June, making him 12 mos old when you started offering him for stud. (And if someone else named Danielle C. used your dogs name, photos, and lived in AZ or NV, I sincerely apologize.)

    Despite the fact that I don't agree with breeding a bull terrier of that age, or any without prior mentioned health tests, I respect your right to do whatever you want with your dog and am glad that we live in a country where we can still own a dog called a bull terrier.

    I would respect you and your differing opinion if you would be honest in what you say, stand behind your beliefs, and don't play the innocent only when it is convenient.

    We all fancy a dog called a bull terrier, regardless of our preferences in what defines a bull terrier.
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  3. Hucklebutt

    Hucklebutt Banned Back Yard Breeder

    Clever Amber that you must drag something totally OT to this forum to try and make a point since you have nothing left to use. In order to be a breeder I believe you must bring dogs into the world, yes? My dog has never reproduced, hes never had a litter of puppies.
  4. Kingy

    Kingy Puppy

    Hucklebutt.....here you go with your presumptions again :rolleyes:

    As myself, Bullful & Amber prefer our fat lazy arsed dogs you also presume we are too lazy to click our mouse button & read another thread :rolleyes:

    you change your mind as often as i change my underwear, your really not sure what you like...which is fine, you are only a young girl & can't be expected to have as much understanding as some of the folk who have been in the breed for years.

    As for advertising Bowser for Stud...why not mention it, i too have seen your adverts & your youtube vids :no2:

    This entire charade is now becoming personal. Clueless one of your replies was damn right rude :no2: i remember not so long ago you were up in arms for someone refering to your family.

    We clearley have different outlooks & expectancies in life....is there a book that states your way is correct :confused: i think not

    opinions are like arseholes....everybodys got one ;)
  5. Hucklebutt

    Hucklebutt Banned Back Yard Breeder

    luckily Kingy, I am not the only one that thinks this way.
  6. AmberABCg

    AmberABCg Puppy

    I really do hate to hijack this thread, as I'm sincere when I say I appreciate a good discussion, even if we don't agree on an issue. I love a good, thought provoking debate and if/when we agree to disagree, I can still enjoy a beer with those I disagree with. I think a time or two Bullful or myself may have been those folk. ;)
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  7. Hucklebutt

    Hucklebutt Banned Back Yard Breeder

    i hope that i make myself clear when I say my problem lies in the breed standard and those who follow it for emotional gain and ego's are no different to me than a parent who lets there child get obese so she doesnt have to listen to it whine-difference is the owners of these dogs get a feel good feeling from it but the dogs needs are not met. I said before its possible for a dog to become accustomed (sp?) to a way of life in the lazy world and to deal with it but its not right. its no different then the pit bull owners breeding hippo like dogs for nothing but purpose of looks and mutate the body, making them short fat and toed out and breeding DA out of them like the BT fanciers are doing with the drive. This is not just a problem with Bull terriers but with most if not all breeds today.
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  8. AmberABCg

    AmberABCg Puppy

    I think on another thread, a difference was made between drive and gameness. I don't know the difference and can't find where the two were defined.

    If we are talking 'prey drive', I think you will find that in many of the bull terriers who show in the US and definitely the UK.
  9. CoolHandJean

    CoolHandJean Krypto Super Dog

    If you want to talk about any things, not related to this topic, you disagree with Hucklebutt doing, please bring it to PMs. It doesn't relate to this topic. Thank you.
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  10. Hucklebutt

    Hucklebutt Banned Back Yard Breeder

    some people have different oppinions of gameness and drive. for me drive is a dog that has drive to get the job done what ever it takes, has a prey drive. Gameness can mean to some that the dog will continue on no matter how hurt he gets and others say it can only be judged in the pit. My dog has drive becuase I ask him to do something, hes going to put every once of him into doing it, but he may not be game i dont know if would continue on with broken legs but i would never have a use for that except in hog hunting. i plan to do hog hunting and protection training with my bullies in the near future.

    ---------- Post added at 10:45 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:43 PM ----------

    but my dogs prey drive is not too high we have rabbits here and my pointer pit mix likes to chase them the bullies never engage in it but they seem blind to the fact they are there. I have a 7 pound chihuahua they live with that is boss over the bullies.
  11. AmberABCg

    AmberABCg Puppy

    I will get back on topic, Jean, and repeat my earlier comment. =)

    I respect anyone with a differing opinion if they believe they are true in what they say and stand behind their beliefs. I welcome an intelligent, thought provoking debate, and once we agree to disagree, welcome the chance to share a beer and smile about what we love so much...the dogs!

    We all fancy a dog called a bull terrier, regardless of our preferences in what defines a bull terrier.
  12. Hucklebutt

    Hucklebutt Banned Back Yard Breeder

    im ready to just let it go i am exhausted of this subject, im all typed out, haha. charity needs some advice on Guinnes tho, if anyone wants to help her, she just gave him up.
  13. Bullful

    Bullful Little Dog

    "charity needs some advice on Guinnes tho, if anyone wants to help her, she just gave him up."

    If she gave him up isn't it already too late for advice?

    And why would she do that? Was Guinnes not a healthy, driven, athletic, game, prey driven BT like all the others?

    Or perhaps someone didn't have enough time to devote to excercising him and thought he should go to a better enviroment instead of getting fat and lazy.

    my problem lies in the breed standard and those who follow it for emotional gain and ego's are no different to me than a parent who lets there child get obese so she doesnt have to listen to it whine

    Hey Hucklebutt, there is no problem with the breed standard, perhaps the problem is in your interpretation. A responsible and reputable breeder would breed to the standard to sustain and further the breed. And honestly, there may be a bit of emotional gain when you have successfully bred a champion. The same emotion the parents of Lance Armstrong, Michael Phelps, Ronnie Coleman or Dennis Tinerino might have felt as they watched them collect a trophy or two.
    Perhaps you should visit the BTC or BTCA websites and review the standard and take the time to read the article posted on these pages a few days ago on "TYPE".
    I saw your comment on parenting skills. Have you any children of your own that qualifies you to give an educated opinion.
    Or perhaps you're a health concious TV parent? The kind that sit their children in front of a television or DVD for a dozen hours while feeding them healthy fruits.
    No? Then perhaps you'll have them doing weight pulls for their dinner.
    Which leads me to one more question.. what is the difference in my walking a dog into a show ring and you hooking a dog to a cart or sled to go 16 feet in 45 seconds as long as they both enjoy what they are doing.

    Shame on me, I have gone so far off topic. My apologies.
    So how about those Alzheimers, oop's I mean Olde Tymer's.
  14. Hucklebutt

    Hucklebutt Banned Back Yard Breeder

    Bullful you are a lost cause as there is no hope for you to understand the way I feel, therefor, I give up on you and wish to no longer waiste my breath on deaf ears. All I have left to say is that the dogs are the ones that suffer and dogs arent born lazy there made lazy, a fat dog is not healthy.

    Charity would like some insight if she should get another bull terrier after giving up her own.

    ---------- Post added at 01:36 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:30 AM ----------

    Bullful might be part bull terrier as you seem you just want the last word as much as possible. My dog would greatly enjoy eating 6 cups of food a day-but that does not mean I give it to him. I tried to free feed him once and he at 5 cups in one day and was very sick.
    I do not have children, but you dont have to have children to notice abuse, same with a dog. if its obvious, its obvious. Just because a dog enjoys laying around because its habbit, and thats what hes done for the last 12 years does not make it okay. What you want to do is not always good for you.
  15. mr.clueless

    mr.clueless Good Dog

    well im mystified !!...i am never and will never intentionally be rude or aggressive to anybody on the internet....not only is it childish but i too prefer to debate a subject and NOT argue about it.....so if i have been rude ( and i cannot remember doing so ) then i very much apologise.....

    kingy did we not discuss a topic via pm where if im not wrong we had a decent civilised conversation....even if we was in disagreement.....i cannot remember being rude.

    anyhow.....regardless of who or what is right and wrong its only a debate on the internet i wouldnt stress over it too much :lol:......


    ---------- Post added at 06:41 AM ---------- Previous post was at 06:00 AM ----------

    forgive me for stating the obvious.......but is there any actual evidence to say that a dog " enjoys " standing in a show ring being judged on his ear settings,eye placings,tail carriage etc etc etc ???

    i mean it must be a pretty bored fed up dog to enjoy standing up waiting for somebody to look at him !!!!!......much rather a dog be out in the open chasing,pulling,running etc etc......doing " doggie things ".

    or maybe.....just maybe.......its really YOU the owner who enjoys somebody looking at the dog saying " very nice ear carriage heres a nice rossette to take home " :lol:......

    come on cut the bullshit !
  16. Hucklebutt

    Hucklebutt Banned Back Yard Breeder

    its through my experiance a lot of those show dogs spend time pent up in cages and arent allowed to socialize with other dogs in fear to mess up there pretty face and arent even allowed to breed naturally, which its sad that everything natural is taken from them.
  17. Kingy

    Kingy Puppy

    Mr Clueless...... I don't ever remember having a PM conversation with you at all but do agree we have debated similar in a different thread which was always kept amicable & i was not refering to anything you had posted to me.

    I was however refering to this comment you made.....

    is it my fault your family members are mentally weak misguided fools who lack any knowledge of the subject they are interested in ?

    I was always brought up to have better manners....particularly as you are commenting on folk you know nothing about.

    This is just a debate, nothing more, nothing less & i can assure you stress doesn't come into it :lol:

    I too would like to wish all a Happy New Year
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  18. Elizabeth

    Elizabeth Good Dog

    I must disagree here....I won't say that is does not happen, but I don't believe that it is the majority, I grew up in a dog show home and in the dog show world and this was never the case. My friend shows her Ridgebacks in AKC conformation and she also has 6 of the top 10 lure coursing dogs in the US right now. I am getting ready to get a BT for my daughter's junior showmanship dog and it will be our pet first and a show dog second.
  19. Hucklebutt

    Hucklebutt Banned Back Yard Breeder

    I know its not always the case, but it happens, I know of a lot of breeders who do things that way. You better post pictures of your new bull terrier!! When are you getting one ?
  20. Elizabeth

    Elizabeth Good Dog

    As soon as we can find a home for this Fila that I am fostering.....he is the equivalent of 4 dogs :) and I want to be sure we have plenty of time to work with my daughter's jrs dog.

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