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Old male won’t leave younger male alone

Discussion in 'Training & Behavior' started by dmf5222, May 15, 2020.

  1. dmf5222

    dmf5222 Puppy

    FDD77608-77B8-4170-AD91-D06F539B8A53.jpeg 4812D215-B4C4-40A8-BFF4-0001065B4062.jpeg I own a beautiful 8 year old Pure bred blue nose American pitbull (Both parents are purple ribbon). A few months ago we added an intelligent brindle American pitbull/black lab mix to the family who is currently 6.5months. Neither are spayed mainly do you vets not doing elective surgeries during the pandemic.

    Our older dog (Euro) keep sniffing around our younger dog’s (Atlas) butt. Euro keeps trying to mount and pester Atlas relentlessly. Atlas tries to defend himself from the terror but unless I separate the Euro upstairs or downstairs in our oversized crate it is simply useless. Euro cries and begs to be released. I refuse to let him roam free until he has calmed down but my boyfriend can’t stand the crying and lets him go immediately. Either way the first thing euro does is go to atlas sniffs his ass and tries to mount him again leading to atlas telling him to back off and a fight ensuing.

    We brought Atlas home at 4 weeks old and Euro was curious of him at first but quickly wanted nothing to do with him. He would jump off the couch if Atlas got too close. When Atlas was 2-3 months old Euro opened up to him and wanted to hang out with him all day. It has only been the past month or so that his behavior has become an issue. I’m going nuts with these two and I know the best solution is to get one neutered but who knows when that will be an option. Anyone have any suggestions as to what to do or why Euro is behaving like this.

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  2. oldman

    oldman Little Dog

    Pit bulls were not bred to be friendly with another dog, especially one of the same sex.
    If you want to keep the two together be sure to get you a good breaking stick and learn how to use it.
    It would be better to not get real close with either dog as you will probably be loosing one or both in the future.
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  3. dmf5222

    dmf5222 Puppy

    Excuse me my dogs do not bite each other and are friendly towards other dogs and humans. The fact that you think I’d lose my dogs disgusts me you should be ashamed of yourself. Our vet warned us we’d have to neuter one for this very reason. We had an appointment scheduled before our state went into lockdown and our vet stopped doing elective surgeries. You clearly don’t like the breed and don’t belong in this forum.
  4. oldman

    oldman Little Dog

    Have you ever looked at the history of the breed?
  5. dmf5222

    dmf5222 Puppy

    Yea way more chihuahuas be biting people than all the pitbulls, German Shepards, and dobermans combined. Don’t be a scared little bitch because a dog wants to jump up and lick your face.
  6. oldman

    oldman Little Dog

    You didn't answer the question about the history of pit bulls.
    They were selective bred for hundred of years for aggression.
    The first pit bulls imported into the U.S. were for dog fighting.
    I know probably the first pit bull who killed a person in the U.S.
    Toby was the dogs name and it belonged to my brother.
    I have been raising pit bulls longer than you have lived.
    I was an U.K.C. pit bull judge and have bred and raised several champions.
    Please read a little history so your dogs do not have to suffer from your lack of knowledge of the breed.
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  7. dmf5222

    dmf5222 Puppy

    Sounds like you breed dogs to fight. Smh sounds like you’re the bad owner.
  8. oldman

    oldman Little Dog

    What do you think the pit bull was bred for? The beagle was bred to hunt rabbits, the greyhound to run, and the bloodhound to trail. All selective bred for that trait.
    You have been lucky so far as you have one crossbred dog and one blue hippo. Most real pit bulls would not have lasted this long. You may be lucky a while longer, may not. With your lack of knowledge and no desire to learn it is just a matter of time.
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  9. AGK

    AGK Scratch Kingz Staff Member Super Moderator

    Oldman hasn't said anything to you that isn't the truth. It's hard for people to hear that these days.

    The dog that is trying to mount is dominating the other. When the other gets a little bit older, it will more than likely end in a fight. Basic dog behavior.

    You can be in denial about what APBTs have been selectively bred for centuries to do but the facts are the facts and anything Oldman said to you can be verified in pretty much any book written on the breed.
    I think his resume alone should tell you that. Your insulting of him for telling you the truth is unnecessary.
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  10. AGK

    AGK Scratch Kingz Staff Member Super Moderator

    It sounds like you don't know very much about bull breeds or their predisposition to animal aggression.
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  11. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Staff Member Administrator

    Calm your ass down. The posters in this thread are extremely educated with the behavior of this breed. Read the link below:
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  12. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Staff Member Administrator

    We do not condone dog fighting on this forum. Either calm down and take the advice given and stop making accusations or you will be banned.
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  13. oldman

    oldman Little Dog

    I sure do not want to see anyone banned. They take very good care of their dogs. They just don't know very much about the breed. While it may seem people are being cruel it is in the best interest of your dogs to learn more about them.
    Not all breeds of dogs are the same. Some were developed for certain traits. If a person decides to have a dog bred for a certain trait it would be best to learn something about those traits.
    I do hope you will take time to read through this forum. It will make a lot of difference in your experience with your dogs.
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  14. Capt. Roxy

    Capt. Roxy Good Dog Premium Member

    What makes you even think this...? Because he told you the truth and gave you some really good advice? Don’t talk to him that way and definitely don’t make any assumptions or accusations.

    Please consider getting a non buckle collar for your dog...
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  15. GK1

    GK1 Little Dog

    I’ll swim against the current here and contend a dog is a dog first, and not its breed. Millions of years of evolution of the rank structured pack hunter can be just as powerful as 100 years of selective trait breeding.

    A couple of nicely conformed, healthy dogs in the op. The op is correct that small breeds such as the chihuahua can be responsible for just as much unwanted aggression as working breeds. Neutering won’t accomplish anything. Even if 10 veterinarians say so, they are ignorant or lying..and maybe just looking to make a buck or fulfill their ideal of zero ‘unwanted’ dogs.

    Bad idea using an all positive, rewards based training approach with these op dogs. Separate, crate, rotate, prison warden stuff etc., will prevent a flare up but is not enough either.

    I’m not saying one can stop a dog fight from happening if one or two dogs are determined to do so - and especially if they are bred for it and enjoy it. But Koehler method of dog training can help by communicating to the dog what pleases you and what does not - and the nice (or painful) consequences which immediately follow. Lead or be led. If the dog cares less what the handler wants and pleases himself anyhow, then the dog is in charge of the human. The more training and bonding you do with your dog/s based on the 4 quadrants of dog training, the better your relationship and knowledge you develop.

    There are always pre aggression indicators; you just have to know how to read your dogs, their body language and the know the environmental triggers. It does take time to learn how and each dog is wired a little different.
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