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Observations from some Colby research

Discussion in 'American Pit Bull Terrier History' started by JoeBingo, Oct 10, 2011.

  1. JoeBingo

    JoeBingo Banned

    Sunday morning I discovered the book I had ordered was left on my front porch, maybe left Saturday, and I've enjoyed reading through Lou Colby's Book of the American Pit Bull Terrier.

    One thing I often hear said is that the Colby's never produced a red nosed pup. That however, isn't true. At the bottom of page 28 of Lou's book, he states that a red nose pup was produced from a Colby's Tige/Colby's Neitz breeding and J.P. himself picked the best of the litter (Colby's Topsey ... the red nose one) to send to Lightner. I wonder if that is to infer that Lightner may have started his red nose stock with a Colby dog? Interesting.

    Colby's Topsey was a very early Colby bred pup and was whelped around the turn of the century. If you look at the peds, many of the earlier generations to Tige and Neitz were not Colby bred dogs.

    Colby's Topsey ~ http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=351112

    Additionally, I have read, either as stated by my friend who purchased a Colby pup from Lou in 2009 and had visited Lou on several occasions or elsewhere, but attributed to Lou ... "The Colby line throws maybe one red nose pup in a thousand." So, to say it is indeed extremely rare would be the truer statement I suppose.

    Another, MOST striking, anomaly in the Colby line was noted in a book that Lou's brother Joseph L. Colby wrote and published in 1936 simply called "The American Pit Bull Terrier". On page 31 of Joseph Colby's book is a submission by Ham Morris entitled the "The Greatest Pit Dog I Ever Owned". Ham describes Morris' Nervy, whom he had purchased from J.P. Colby thus, "She was a dark mahogany brindle with white head and china blue eyes". Who would believe that the Colby's ever produced an American Pit Bull Terrier with china blue eyes LOL. Except for the eye color, Nervy was a typical brindle and white Colby dog. And how many today would believe a purebred and registered (not sure if Nervy was actually registered) BLUE EYED American Pit Bull Terrier? Most would dispute the dog was purebred. ... but this was the greatest pit dog that Ham Morris every owned.

    While Nervy appears in Joseph's book, she isn't mentioned at all in Lou's book.

    You can download Joseph L. Colby's book in *.pdf format here ~ MEGAUPLOAD - The leading online storage and file delivery service

    Morris' Nervy ~

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  2. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    Blue eyes not all THAT unusual in purebreds, especially white-headed dogs....seen a few of them in Am Stafs too.Carla
     
  3. 6pack1%er

    6pack1%er Good Dog

    Rare indeed. Now if people would also read up on the OFRN and find out for themselves that OFRN's are really that. They were created by using old family dogs, which Colby and a few others. One being the dog you mentioned in your post.
     
  4. brutus1

    brutus1 Puppy

    If you look at the colby line , you can see that his line was built on the english families and even his galtie which was the line his dime dog came down from , was actually of english blood eventhough his sire and dam were imports from ireland .What people forget is that the irish had been trading dogs with england and the english families were black nosed dogs and mostly white or black /white and brindle but black nosed.The isrsh or ofrn are as such red nosed and never produced black nosed dogs when bred within their own families.This is the reason why colbys very rarely threw balck nosed dogs ,becasue the colby families were predominatley bred from english bloodlines incl;uding the edwards galtie and edwarsd gass ,the sire and dam to colbys galtie , and most make the mistake of assuming that as these dogs were imported from ireland , then they must be of irish bloodlines ,but this is not so ,and if you look at the picture of colbys galtie and download it and zoom in closer you can see the black nose and the body clour being red or bucksin and white face , colours which are aprat from the red or buckskin body ,are noit part of the true pure irish families, but are coming from the english families , as does colbys pincher , so this is the reason the colby dogs are black nosed and predominantly either white or brindle and white heads ,but rarely red or red nosed apart from some body clour either red or buckskin.

    http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=16128

    infact if you look back into the ofrn blood even there you see it goes back to this same blood and look at searcy jeff and his heritage , and what you find is that the ofrn blood is not as irsh as we all think , but more one mans preference in breeding that lead to a red nosed strain , but from an english foundation if you look closely.
     
  5. brutus1

    brutus1 Puppy

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