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Discussion in 'Controversial Topic Discussion' started by alex123, May 8, 2011.

  1. Username!

    Username! Little Dog

    Holy sh!t those videos are insanely dumb. The first one would be funny if it wasn't so bigoted. If you actually believe that crap than you have some serious cognitive problems!

    The Gordon guy in the second video is a total moron. If this is where you get your info; no wonder you don't have a clue. He said Obama made enemies of Israel, France and Germany?!? They are 3 of our biggest allies. He has no idea what he's even talking about! It's laughable. Oh my god, in the millions of hours Obama has spent in front of a microphone or camera he accidentally said we have 57 states, doesn't pronounce a couple words correctly, and called the park the White Sox used to play in the wrong name. Impeach that damn socialist muuuuslim!!!! Is that really the best you and Gordon could do?

    If you want to hear a stupid President say stupid sh!t type Bush's name in Youtube. If you want to hear a stupid presidential candidate say stupid sh!t look up your little crush Palin.

    Obama is smarter than Bush and Palin combined! And I don't even really like the guy. Obama graduated in the top 10% of his class at Harvard. He also became the first black president of the Harvard Law Review.

    Is that Palin pic photoshopped? Her boobs look luxurious in that pic!
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  2. WhitePitBull#1

    WhitePitBull#1 Little Dog


    Gawd, I hope the Repubs are dumb enough to nominate her...easy pickings!:dance2:

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    That is what you call a but-a-face...everything but a face, put a bag over her head and you're good to go.;)
  3. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    No doubt. He is VERY smart and sly and has a good dose of arrogance about him which makes him very attractive to a large part of the electorate. With his ability to raise what will be one billion dollars for his campaign and his team's knowledgeable use of social media, he will be VERY hard to beat in 2012.

    The hell with the birth certificate. I think it would be much more interesting to read some things he wrote in his university days....Is there anything he wrote in the HLR that WOULD be available? (I know, google it....)

  4. Username!

    Username! Little Dog

    I think your mistaking arrogance for his intelligence. Would you rather him insult your intelligence and talk to you like a 5 year old (like Bushy did or Palin does)?

    Let me ask you something. What would you do if you were President of the free world and you had brain dead bigoted idiots questioning if you are even an American citizen and if you really even deserved to get to Harvard where you graduated in the top 10% and became the first female president of the Harvard Law Review... while you were busy hunting down Bin Laden and your busy trying to fix the most broken US economy since the 1930's... and you had to worry about all the other crap that comes with being President.

    Would you really take a stupid birther seriously or would you go about your job trying to protect the free world and ignore the stupidity?

    How much better could you handle Birther Trump than to say, “You, Mr. Trump, recognized that the real problem was a lack of leadership,” “And so ultimately, you didn’t blame Lil Jon or Meat Loaf. You fired Gary Busey. These are the kind of decisions that would keep me up at night. Well handled, sir.”

    I was looking for some stuff that he wrote in his college days. I did find a few small excerpts and based on the small amount I know of your beliefs... you would certainly cringe.

    I think it would be even more interesting to read some things from Palin and Bushy's college daze (I mean days).

    Bush has trouble putting together a cohesive sentence on a regular basis... I couldn't imagine reading his alcoholic ramblings.

    Palin has trouble thinking on a regular basis... she's got such a good understanding of the English language that she just makes words up that don't even exist.
  5. alex123

    alex123 Big Dog

    Obama is smarter than Bush and Palin combined! And I don't even really like the guy. Obama graduated in the top 10% of his class at Harvard. He also became the first black president of the Harvard Law Review.

    o you left out something he was also the first black guy to fuck us over

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  6. Username!

    Username! Little Dog

    alex123 strikes once again with the rock solid logic!

    You're just mad because you know he's gonna win in 2012.

    I'm just mad because some dopey Republicans (not all) continue to bring politics into the gutter and refuse to nominate a reasonable and responsible alternative to Obama. There's so many important things that the Republicans can nail him on or at least keep him in check; if they would just come back to reality. But neither party is living in reality and that's the whole problem.
  7. chloesredboy2

    chloesredboy2 Good Dog

    Oh like it matters anyway,everyone knows the worlds going to end in 2012!:rolleyes:
  8. cliffdog

    cliffdog Good Dog

    Right before Christmas, too. :(
  9. alex123

    alex123 Big Dog

    i dont even like thinking about this shit, who cares whos becomes president this world is fucked anyways

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    but still
  10. Username!

    Username! Little Dog

    What happens on December 22, 2012 when the world didn't end the day before?

    Will all the religious nuts go crazy and make it a self-fulfilling prophecy or will they just forget about it like all the Y2K nuts. What's the next made up date to try to scare the gullible?
  11. Obed

    Obed Good Dog Premium Member

    these particular "religious nuts" were not from this country and of an extinct culture.... and I moved this thread to discussion since there was no debate in it....
  12. Gatorpit

    Gatorpit Good Dog

    I havn't read the whole thread yet...but this part of the argument struck me...

    I worked with a woman once who said about the economical recession...and I quote...

    Deadpan. Blew my mind.
  13. Username!

    Username! Little Dog

    Actually... isn't the Rapture supposed to happen in 10 days?

    Obed is see you have a bible in you avatar. Just to be clear. I'm not trying to knock religion or religious people. I think it can be a very good thing. But unfortunately throughout history it has and currently is being used/warped by evil people to justify some terrible things.

    In all seriousness... what happens if that date comes and nothing happens? Will some extreme religious people try to make it happen? I've been wondering if it's possible that it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

    If over 2 billion people are being preached "the truth" for their entire lives and base their entire lives on it... what happens when that truth doesn't happen? Do a small percentage of those people refuse to acknowledge the actual truth and try to end the world? Or do they acknowledge their entire life was essentially a lie?
  14. Gatorpit

    Gatorpit Good Dog

    "It's our moral responsibilitude" comes to mind, lol.






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    Username...the 2012 prediction is not JUST a Christian prediction. It was prophesied by 9 or so different cultures at different time periods, including the Mayans, the Aztecs, the Hopi indians, and the Sumerians, among others.

    This is what makes it such a compelling prophecy.
  15. Obed

    Obed Good Dog Premium Member

    check your eyes....:lol: that is not a bible in my hand, it actually is a quran, but it has nothing to do with any stand or statement that my avatar makes....
    people through out history, in all cultures, have done many evil things in the name of religion (or what amounts to religion), both by legitimate practitioners and by charlatans who use the religious beliefs of others for their own gain...
    I was simply pointing out that IMO the current 2012 thing is/was more about promoting the movie than any current religious beliefs... it is after all based on the Mayan calender, an extinct culture... I have no knowledge of any Christian prophecies than can be tied to 2012...
    I know of no current major religion that thinks 2012 is the time, and have read no talk of Obama in this thread that could be tied to actual thinking either..:lol:
  16. Gatorpit

    Gatorpit Good Dog

    Obed...it wasn't JUST the Mayans either, it was MANY different cultures across the world. Here's a site on the predictions. It discusses the possibility...it doesn't attempt to say these things WILL happen like other sites, but looks at various predictions from various cultures, compares, contrasts, and explains the science of this particular possibility.


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    whether or not you choose to hold any stock with any of this, it's an interesting read either way.
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  17. Username!

    Username! Little Dog

    That's pretty funny about my little bible quran mix up:lol:

    Here's a site I was just on that explains some of the 2012/Apocalypse confusion I'm having.
    2012 Apocalypse, What the Christian faith has to do with 2012.

    Isn't May 21, 2011 actually the Apocalypse/Judgment Day according to some Christians? It's only 10 days away.
    Apocalypse Soon: Christian Movement Says 5/21/11 - CBS News

    Gatorpit - I don't know if I should laugh or cry at the fact that the clown in all those clips you posted was the leader of the free world for almost a decade! No wonder the world is falling apart in front of our eyes!:eek:

    There's been a Bush or Clinton in the white house as president or vice president since 1981 till 2008. We still kind of do. Hillary is the Secretary of State (4th in line to succeed the Pres.) and my assumption is that she'll try to run again in 2016. Talk about an aristocracy!
  18. youknow2

    youknow2 Big Dog

    2012 Doomsday Prediction Likely Miscalculated, Professor Says | Science | Epoch Times
    elated articles: Science > Space & Astronomy [​IMG]The Mayan Inscriptions' Palace at the Palenque archaeological site, in Chiapas state. (Omar Torres/AFP/Getty Images)

    2012 doomsday prediction? The Dec. 12, 2012 date is likely wrong for the end of the Mayan calendar, a professor at the University of California, Santa Barbara said.

    The calendar, which was created thousands of years ago by the Mayan civilization in Central America, stops at the Gregorian date of December 12, 2012. Many people have speculated that catostrophic events could occur when the date comes, which the Roland Emmerich film detailed in 2012.

    Professor Gerardo Aldana, an associate professor of Chicana and Chicano Studies at U.C. Santa Barbara, said that the date could be inaccurate by 50 to 100 years or even more.

    Aldana says that scholars have used the fixed numerical value called GMT constant to figure out the correlation between the Mayan and Gregorian dates. He says that the method has never been proven conclusively.

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    He added that his findings might challenge the accepted Gregorian dates, which are published in the new book “Calendars and Years II: Astronomy and Time in the Ancient and Medieval World.”

    In his research, he attempted to reconstruct the astronomical practices of the ancient Maya people.

    "One of the principal complications is that there are really so few scholars who know the astronomy, the epigraphy, and the archeology," Aldana said in a release.

    "Because there are so few people who are working on that, you get people who don't see the full scope of the problem. And because they don't see the full scope, they buy into things they otherwise wouldn't. It's a fun problem."

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    well i used to be one of those 2012 believers but, i just guessing that when they meant end of the world they meant end of the calendar. New beginning (new calendar)
  19. Gatorpit

    Gatorpit Good Dog

    again though...it was not JUST the Mayans.

    In any event...I don't personally believe any of the "apocalyptic" predictions of any culture forsee a literal "end of the world" which implies either the complete destruction of the Earth as a body OR the complete annhilation of the human race...

    I think ALL of them, including the Biblical Apocalypse...signify a great change in the world and/or in humanity as a whole.

    That change could simply be a revolution in thinking, or it could be some sort of natural phenomenon, or man made phenomenon (a great war for example) that changes the way humanity lives.

    Yes...a new beginning. But potentially only after a time of terrible strife.
  20. youknow2

    youknow2 Big Dog

    The only think the Mayans will do is celebrate the end of the calendar. They were very spiritual people like every other religion. Can you show some links about what other religions believed? I cant find anything to do with Aztecs and 2012 only Mayans. And when i search about Christianity it takes me back to the Mayans.

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    you should search The Mayans Long Count.

    Mayan Long Count
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    Tres Zapotes Stela - 31 BC
    The Long Count, for which we do not know the Maya name, is commonly considered the Maya's linear count of days. In truth it is yet another cycle, but its great length of at least 5126 years makes it essentially a linear count through all of Maya history. The earliest known Long Count date, carved in 31 BC, was found at the Olmec site of Tres Zapotes. The earliest known Maya long count was recorded in year 32 AD at the site of Chiapa de Corzo in the Highlands of Chiapas, Mexico. Like the Christian calendar, the long count has a start date: ours is January 1 of 0 AD, and theirs (by our reckoning) is August 11 of 3114 BC. But unlike ours, theirs also has an apparent end date, December 21 of 2012 AD.

    The long count is represented as a five place notation system of ascending cycles - kins (days), winals (20-day months), tuns (360 days), k'atuns (20 tuns), and bak'tuns (20 k'atuns). It is important to note that the long count's version of a year, the tun, is only 360 days, not the solar count of 365. This means that the long count diverges from the Haab by five days every year, making it a completely unique and separate cycle. [​IMG]
    The Five Long Count Positions
    The largest of the long count's five cycles, the bak'tun, is a period equaling 400 tuns. Many people believe that the full cycle of the Long Count is complete when 13 bak'tuns have passed since the beginning of the creation of this current universe, identified as the 4th creation in the Maya "story of creation", the Popol Vuh. That date, currently of such great interest to those anticipating an "end of days", will occur on December 21, 2012 AD.

    To further illustrate how the Long Count moves forward through time, look at the day sequencing around the beginning and end of the cycle: 3 Kawak 7 Kumku August 10, 3114 BC 4 Ahau 8 Kumku August 11, 3114 BC 5 Imix 9 Kumku August 12, 3114 BC 3 Kawak 2 Kankin December 20, 2012 AD 4 Ahau 3 Kankin December 21, 2012 AD 5 Imix 4 Kankin December 22, 2012 AD It's important to point out that this is just one possible scenario for how the Long Count functions and flows. There are other scholars who believe that the count would not reset to, but rather continue with 13 as the bak'tuns, being, and then, and so on up until the 14th bak'tuns, being represented as Lloyd Anderson has presented this scenario on his website at http://www.traditionalhighcultures.com/MayaMath&WorldAges.html . Since we have no texts presenting dates within the first bak'tun's range of 400 tuns, this particular question remains an academic debate.

    Another widely held belief about the Long Count is that the bak'tun in fact does not reset at 13, but is rather another cycle of 20 like all the other place values, with the exception of the months, or winals. The winals are 18, and that is likely because the Maya solar calendar, the Haab, is divided into 18 months of 20 days each. Sir J. Eric Thompson, one of the most influential Mayanists who every studied the calendar, was convinced the baktuns cycle was 20, not 13. He explained his logic in the following passage:

    "I have throughout assumed that the bak'tuns were grouped, not in 13's, but in 20's, for the evidence supporting a vigesimal count of baktuns in the Dresden and at Palenque and Copan is too strong to be overridden. I assume that at an early date, when the LC was first invented, the highest period was the baktun and that baktuns were arranged in re-entering series of 13, but that a subsequent desire to extend the range of time led to the invention of the pictun and still greater periods. With that expansion of time, it was essential to fit the baktuns into a vigesimal count. Consequently, 20 baktuns were made the equivalent of one pictun, but by then 4 Ahau 8 Cumku was so strongly established as the cycle ending of a round of 13 baktuns that it continued to be given that designation, although reckoned as the end of a cycle of 20 baktuns for the purposes of calculation." (Thompson 1960, p 316)

    Thompson's passage brings up an important fact about the long count that is not often discussed - the fact that the Maya recorded higher cycles above the bak'tun. Here are the first few of the known long count cycles above bak'tun:
    Piktun 20 Bak'tuns 8000 tuns 2,880,000 days Kalabtun 20 Piktuns 160,000 tuns 57,600,000 days Kinichiltun 20 Kalabtuns 3,200,000 tuns 1,152,000,000 days Alautun 20 Kinichiltuns 64,000,000 tuns 23,040,000,000 days
    (It should noted that while these are the names for these cycles that have been used in the literature for almost a century, there is no direct evidence that these were their names in ancient times.)

    These higher cycles are not uncommon in the inscriptions. They appear multiple times in the Dresden Codex, and in the carved and painted inscriptions of Palenque, Copan, Quirigua, Tikal, Yaxchilan, and Coba. The very existence of these higher cycles calls into question the notion that the Long Count resets at the 13th bak'tun. If it did, why then would there be a need for these higher order cycles?

    The West Panel of the Temple of the Inscriptions (drawing by Linda Schele)
    Going back to the question of whether the bak'tun place runs in a cycle of 13 or 20 bak'tuns, an example from Palenque has long been used to support the argument for 20 bak'tuns equaling one piktun.

    The text from the Western Tablet of the Temple of the Inscriptions mentions the date of Pakal's birthday and then counts far into the future in order to arrive at 1 piktun.

    The drawing to the right shows the segment of the text discussed here (drawing by Linda Schele). The mathematics only works if 20 bak'tuns equal one piktun. Here's the progression: 8 Ahau 13 Pop March 24, 603 AD Pakal's Birth + The text indicates to go this many days into the future To arrive at: ( 5 Lamat 1 Mol The text says 1 piktun 8 kins And then it mentions the calendar round for the date of exactly one piktun: ( 10 Ahau 13 Yaxk'in October 13, 4772 AD

    One can see how the distance number of was chosen very intentionally to get all zeros in the lower order cycles. If the bak'tun cycle was revolving by 13's, then the long count arrived at would have been, not

    The Cross Tablet west text
    drawing by Linda Schele)
    As to why these texts discussing Pakal go so far into the future, the facts are few and the theories many. Perhaps it was a statement about the eternal nature of his soul? Or a future reincarnation? One interesting point is that the calendar round 5 Lamat 1 Mol is also the date of Pakal's accession in 612 AD, and the 5 Lamat 1 Mol arrived at in the passage is exactly 80 calendar rounds (52 year cycles) later. Since Pakal was 80 tuns when he died, perhaps this is a poetic statement alluding to his great age.

    So if we have clear evidence that the bak'tun cycle, like all other long count positions save the winals, runs in cycles of 20, then why do so many people believe that it will reset at the arrival of the 13th bak'tun in 2012 AD? The answer lies in the western mathematical assumption that if the long count began at 13 bak'tuns then it must end on 13 bak'tuns. When a person from western culture envisions a cycle, they immediately conjure the image of a clock, with a revolving hand starting and ending at 12. Does it have to be that way? Part of the issue lies in assuming that the modern western and ancient mesoamerican notions of "cycle" are the same.

    There are inscriptions at Palenque, Copan, and Quirigua that specifically date events occurring before the current era. All of them state that they occurred within the 12th bak'tun and lead up to 4 Ahau 8 Kumku. At Palenque, the texts of the Cross Group state that on December 9, 3121 BC a woman named Muwan Mat was born. Then 754 years after the era began on August 11, 3114 BC she gave birth to GI of the Palenque Triad on October 23, 2360 BC. These dates span the creation date, beginning in a 12th bak'tun and picking back up in a 1st bak'tun. Here are the long counts in sequential order: 8 Ahau 18 Sek December 9, 3120 BC Birth of Muwan Mat 4 Ahau 8 Kumku August 11, 3114 BC Creation Date 13 Kimi 19 Keh October 23, 2360 BC Birth of GI
    These dates are given as full long counts, not abbreviated within distance numbers or implied by calendar rounds. While the evidence is compelling, these few texts from Palenque are almost single handedly responsible for convincing western scholars that the long count will once again reset in 2012 AD.

    In point of fact, though we have many instances of the Maya recording for August 11, 3114 BC, there is only one text known to record the date for December 21, 2012 AD. It was found on Monument 6 from Tortuguero and the text is broken right after the date is mentioned, occulting the event that was to have been referenced.

    For the ancient Maya, the 13th bak'tun ended at the beginning of the world's fourth creation, or era. The Popol Vuh describes the three previous creations and the fates of their inhabitants, but does not provide dates. The Aztecs had a very similar concept and explained it to the Spanish in some detail. To the Aztecs, they were living in the 5th world era, not the 4th. Mark Van Stone (personal communication 2008) hypothesizes that the Aztecs may have counted the collapse of Classic Maya civilization in the 9th century to have been the end of the 4th creation.

    The Aztecs provided time lengths for each of the previous eras and, very importantly, they were not the same. Here are the four Aztec eras before the current:
    The first era 13 cycles of 52 years for a total of 676 years The second era 7 cycles of 52 years for a total of 364 years The third era 6 cycles of 52 years for a total of 312 years The fourth era 13 cycles of 52 years for a total of 676 years
    The Aztec Calendar Stone (National Antropology Museum, Mexico DF)
    If one lumps the 2nd and 3rd era time lengths together, they get another set of 13 x 52 years, just like the 1st and 4th eras. Like the Maya, the Aztec seem to have related the concept of 13 cycles with the completion of an era or world creation. The current era was not given a time length, but was predicted by the Aztecs to be ultimately destroyed by earthquakes. Given the difference in past cycle lengths, one could not safely assume that the current Aztec era will be 13 x 52 years. Does this same caution not apply to the Maya notion of era length?

    Part of the solution may be in distinguishing the conceptual difference between a "cycle" and an "era". There are definitely solid cycles throughout the Maya calendar, its interlocking nature depends on them. The kin, the tun, the winal and the k'atun are all static cycles of time. The western calendar has the same kind of cyclical increments - a day, a year, a century, a millennium, etc. However, an "era" in western thinking is rarely an exact increment of a calendrical cycle. The Iron Age, the Renaissance, Industrialism - each of these was a different "era" in history with a unique time length. Was the same conceptual difference being expressed by the Maya when they wrote that 13 bak'tuns was the end of an era?

    There is reason to believe that the number 13 was used as a symbolic way to say "completion." There are texts at Yaxchilan, Coba, and the Dresden Codex that present long count dates in which many cycles above the bak'tun repeat the number 13 as their coefficients. The example at Yaxchilan, on a panel in front of Temple 33, places ten 13's above a contemporary date: Oct 19, 744 AD
    Coba Stela 1
    (drawing after Elizabeth Wagner)
    The example at Coba, on Stela 1, places at least twenty 13's above the creation date, August 11, 3314 BC. If we attempted to actually count all those 13's as actual coefficients, each going up by a magnitude of 20, the date we would get would go 41,943,040,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years into the past! Dresden Codex page 52 also records a date with 13 consecutive 13's. Since none of these 13's effect the lower cycles, it does not seem they were placed there to actually be calculated. They are likely more of a symbolic statement that many cycles have passed. If these coefficients of 13 for the piktuns, kalabtun, kinichiltuns, etc... symbolize days long ago, could 13 bak'tuns not be symbolizing the same?

    So, if the idea that the 13th Bak'tun is the end of the current era is in question, then what should we think of it's arrival in 2012 AD? Though Maya texts say nothing about what might happen at the 13th Bak'tun, we do know that the end of each bak'tun was considered a time of great change. Reviewing ancient Maya history provides a general coroboration of that notion.

    The following events around the turn of the last five bak'tuns are not suggested as spot on dates when major changes occurred, but consider the overall pattern.

    The beginning of the 8th bak'tun (41 AD)
    The last of the Olmec cities, some surviving for almost 1000 years, were abandoned and never reinhabited.

    The beginning of the 9th bak'tun (435 AD)
    Teotihuacan's influence began in the Maya world, resulting new cities, a flurry of new dynasties, and warfare.

    The beginning of the 10th bak'tun (830 AD)
    The end of the Classic period and the still unexplained abandonment of 100's of cities.

    The beginning of the 11th bak'tun (1224 AD)
    The abandonment of Chichen Itza in Yucatan and the rise of Mayapan.

    The beginning of the 12th bak'tun (1618 AD)
    The last great Maya empire, the Itza of Lake Peten, sent emissaries to the Spanish announcing they are ready to embrace the change the turn of cycles will bring.

    It was this last bak'tun, when the Spanish conquered Lake Peten and captured king Kan Ek, that provides special insight into the Maya beliefs about the turn of a bak'tun. In the year 1617, Kan Ek sent emissaries to Merida to inform the Spanish that the 12th bak'tun was near and that they were prepared for the change it would bring. The Spanish interpreted this as a willingness to be converted to Christianity and a race between various missionary groups began for the credit of being to the first to finally convert the mighty Itza. With the priests came the soldiers, and the inevitable end. While they Itza certainly were not planning their own demise, they were right that a time of great change was upon them.

    In conclusion, while it is uncertain that 2012 AD will mark the reset of the long count cycle, it is most certainly the beginning of the 13th bak'tun. The ancient Maya would have considered it a time of great change. If every bak'tun was a time of great change, then the 13th turn must have held special significance, perhaps the beginning of a new era in world history. Time will tell.

    The Mayan calendar will continue to be a source of much fascination, spurring people to write books and films about the heraldic date in 2012. Although current computers or o2 mobile phones have Christian calendars, the Mayan culture will remain with us even after it may or may not be proven to be obsolete. We hope you enjoyed this article, and of course, if you have any thoughts or comments on or about the information discussed, please do not hesitate to get in touch.
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