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Discussion in 'American Bully' started by streetdreams5520, Aug 12, 2011.

  1. 444

    444 Big Dog Premium Member

    There are some Bullies that have likely remained APBT/AmStaff.There are certainly also a great number of dogs that are mixes of various Bulldog and/or Mastiff types.The editorial written by Mr. Wilson that is quoted and linked in my previous post in this thread,states that Mr. Wilson himself knew of breed mixing from the beginning.That makes it fact,not opinion.
     
  2. self_made

    self_made Little Dog

    I think miagi is still abkc they are still studding him and abkc are accepting his puppies still so I think he is. I wouldn't understand taking his papers and not the NOTORIOUS STUD DAX.
     
  3. regardless of what was said, twisted or believed. the creator of re said he DIDNT mix. maybe he had come to find out, maybe not. it IS NOT FACT THAT ALL AMBULLY IS MORE THAN AST/APBT MIX SAME GOES FOR SOME OTHER BREEDS...
    maybe some were which i believe but not all.
    neither you nor i know

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    trruuuu but omg miagi is terrible alot of ambully imo are

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    i know that nothing new...read back further no one is calling a apbt a pocket
     
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  4. 444

    444 Big Dog Premium Member

    Dave Wilson's words:
    "Some breeders even included some bulldog lineage into their breeding. This breed has been established for over 10 years now."
    Link to entire editorial,written by Dave Wilson,in which that quote was taken: Fredericksburg.com - Come see our gentle 'bullies,' unfairly savaged by a currish editorial

    He knew from the beginning.I know,you know,everybody knows.The horse and pony show is over.It's really not a mystery.Why Bully owners continue to deny this is beyond me.The creation of breeds typically includes mixing.The "creator of re" said there was mixing early on.This means at least some of the "foundation" dogs of the breed were mixes.This trickles down through all of their progeny.Making many dogs more than APBT/AST...fact !
     
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  5. "LIKE HE SAID SOME BREEDERS"

    Before you said all ambully were mix, now you say many?


    there is no FACT that ALL ambully are mixed. LIKE I SAID BEFORE I DO BELIEVE SOME ARE OBVIOUSLY

    so no there is no fact in anything you said before.

    THE ONLY FACT IS THE FOUNDATION IS AST/APBT(this started re and this was his goal). AND THAT he believes "OTHER" BREEDERS MIXED STUFF IN.
     
  6. 444

    444 Big Dog Premium Member

    I never said all.Find and quote my post where it says all.

    Also,he does not believe,he knows.And seemingly had first hand knowledge of breed mixing.I'm willing to bet dogs down from those dogs are registered in the same manner as all bullies,APBT/AST.I'd also be willing to bet those same dogs have ABKC papers.
     
  7. you came on here defending blazepits when he said all ambully were mix. your first response was hn i said this and u said it was fact. and i stated no it not cause i DONT believe all re dogs have been mixed.

    when u say foundatio dogs this is what i consider foundation re dogs(which were not mixes)>>>>>

    Razors Edge Silver Sadey Of ML 1st Generation RE dog from Non RE parents
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    GRCH Razors Edge Throwin Knuckles
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    Razors Edge Sadeys Paddington
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    First couple Gens of RE
    Razors Edge Rayna
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    CH Razors Edge Purple Rose of Cairo 3rd Gen of RE on one side of his ped.
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  8. phbullies

    phbullies Big Dog

    Some nice classics pictures there!! Why did he ever stray from that? Thats still my ideal dog.
     
  9. Pink

    Pink GRCH Dog

    x2.
     
  10. 444

    444 Big Dog Premium Member

    Above is my first post in it's entirety.It was not defending anyone.It was presenting what Mr.Wilson said,which is directly related to the topic in this thread.Who chooses to use that information to back their point there after is out of my control.

    The fact of the matter remains that Dave Wilson does know and has known of breed mixing within the American Bully community.Has he done so himself,I have no idea.Complicity does carry with it some guilt though !
     
  11. self_made

    self_made Little Dog

    I think he kinda did away with it (classic) because of it is to much like a another breed he didn't intead on being a follower or modify the amstaff or the apbt. If it's gonna be a new breed make it different a standard bully couldn't be mistaking for no other breed. And, considering by the time that the term American Bully breed came about which was 04/05. He hand no control over what has been bred. As for the razors edges dogs had been around 14 to 15 years by then. But, never consider to be a american bully. They was still being seen as amstaffs and apbt. The guy didnt have any control. Once it leaves your yard what control do you have. He stayed the foundation dogs where amstaff and apbt. Where they go when they leave the yard is on the new owner.

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    And, street dreams just sparked my interest... I have heard on many times a bully is over weight. I just measured one of my dogs rib cage on one side it was 14-3/4 inches at 1yrs old. Do think 45lbs is a good health weight for this dog. If so just think about how sicking my dog would look. LOL.....I may have to send him to the A&E show intervention to seek help if he start getting skinny like that. I don't think that the standard bully breed was bred to look thin. Look at your mastiffs,EB, American Bulldogs, could you see them at a apbt weight.......
     
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  12. self made i def agree with you...ive seen some ambullies in good shape look like staffsnot ast or apbt (thats just looks of course)
    then u have some ambullys that are so heavy they resemble bull dogs in weight

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    im not really in the abda look i love the amstaff look....lot of ambullies resemble staffs some look like mixes idk

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    u have some pics of ur dogs u can post?

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    http://www.florida.republika.pl/harlin/18.jpg

    love this

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    Google Images
     
  13. phbullies

    phbullies Big Dog

    I don't think any of the ambully classes have been "done away" with. If he stayed the course with that type of dog only and never gave credence to the obvious mixes that make up the other classes we wouldn't even be having this conversation. There are dogs who had this type or look long before Dave Wilson (talking about the classic type) they were just bigger amstaffs and apbts. No one will ever be able to do away with classics...or any other class for that matter too much $$ involved now. Can't go back and change the past. I encourage everyone to work on the future of the breed/breeds. Do things the right way from here on out.
     
  14. Blaze N' Pits

    Blaze N' Pits Good Dog

    I kinda wish some of you would actually read what I'm writing if you're going to respond, I'm not trying to be rude... but seriously.
    If you can find a post where I said "ALL ambullys are mixed with more than AST/APBT" then plz point it out.
    I'm pretty sure that I've said "I'm talking about the Ambullys that ARE mixed with more than AST/APBT".....

    And what I said about Miagi was a joke... lol.



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    And I'm a female... not a big deal, just thought I'd clarify that lol.

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    lol... exactly.... look at those breeds and look at the 'Ambullys' in the pocket and xtreme classes....
     
  15. ~Lucas~

    ~Lucas~ Puppy

    Pretty much sum's it up Jerry,that's all you can do is stay true and not deviate from what your trying to achieve, and not be drawn in by the "newest fad" and alot have.What's done is done,can't go back and change the past as you stated.I can appreciate ANY style of Bully if it's put together well,but I prefer the Classic's.Alot of breeder's have no vision or plan on what they want to achieve in their program just tossing any 2 dog's together and just keep infesting the Bully world with inferior animal's.Selling those animal's to the uneducated buyer who in turn due the same, compounding the problem further.My first Bully show I attended I couldnt believe some of the train wrecks that were led into the ring.JMO......
     
  16. phbullies

    phbullies Big Dog

    I am hoping that bully shows become more conformationally aware. There are good examples of all types of bullies. I've seen some in every class. Even extreme. Yep I said it. There are just not enough. If the ones with poor conformation were not winning at the shows then maybe people would stop breeding poorly put together dogs. Probably not but at least they'd stop being rewarded for it.
     

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