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Discussion in 'American Bully' started by streetdreams5520, Aug 12, 2011.

  1. self_made

    self_made Little Dog

    "Yes, I already understand there are paper-hangers in all registries, within all breeds... but do you see UKC or ADBA producing standards and classes for pocket APBTs knowing that breeders are going to paper-hang in order to produce the 'perfect pocket APBT' in 2 generations???"

    Thats like comparing a apple to a orange. If the UKC was as small as the abkc is they wouldn't turn away the classic bully or the more conditioned apbt. They would put them in classes. The big picture is it is all about the money look at the UKC the are allowing this paper hanging to go on there is by far more paper hanging in the UKC then any where.

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    If little ol' me and you know that razors edge, gotti, mikeland, and so on isn't a apbt bloodline don't you think UKC knows it. But, still in turn how many have they tried to stop. These papers are going to the UKC as Mikeland's so and so. It's not like they are hinding it. But, still the UKC says send me your $40
     
  2. CelticKarma

    CelticKarma Good Dog

    Lets see...when we DNA test our dogs we send them the money they send us the test kit. I do the swabbing and send them back in, I don't guess anyone would ever swab the wrong dog NOOOOO they would be honest ...right?

    Okay this cracked me up, I guess I have been in the dark because I have never seen a pocket APBT LMBO

    And there you have it!!! I have always said it is about the money! So what if the stopped doing single dog registries ...They have enough Razors Edge, Gotti, Mikeland, GK and other American Bullies producing to keep them alive and well for the next 100 years.

    I always wandered what would happen if every single American Bully owner sent back their UKC papers and asked for a refund, asking them to either give them a refund or open a class for the dogs they are registering hummmmm all hell would break lose! Your damn right the UKC knows when they see these bloodlines that they are not APBT but yet they will smile and take your money and call your dog something they are not and all is fine until you step in the show ring with one of your AmBullies then you are asked to leave the ring or sometimes they will let you stay but your dog will not place.
     
  3. self_made

    self_made Little Dog


    x2 I WANT ME A POCKET APBT...... Boy that would a great gift for the ol lady.
     
  4. CelticKarma

    CelticKarma Good Dog

    LOL...well if you find one send me a pic because I would really love to see one!
     
  5. wooow u guys havent seen a pocket pit?

    ive seen some small game dog 25-30 ponds very small(which i would condisider a pocket i guess..lol)
     
  6. CelticKarma

    CelticKarma Good Dog

    Nikki at her conditioned weight is 32 lbs she is no where near a pocket pit......I have heard the term but it was from American Bully owners who call their pocket size American Bullies "pocket pits" never once heard an APBT use that term.
     
  7. no of couse not they dont use that term but i saying ive seen some apbt at that size but obviously in shape adba standard
     
  8. self_made

    self_made Little Dog

    Tech. it still falls in the apbt standards by UKC even at that weight. When the term Pocket is being used it used to represent a really short version of what ever it maybe. Think about all the pocket breeds not only are they smaller in weight they are really smaller in height. When you say apbt pockets I think of a jack russel body with all the other features as a apbt. Damn shouldn't have said that to give any ideas.......lol
     
  9. CelticKarma

    CelticKarma Good Dog

    And just what is the weight of an APBT suppose to be according to standard?
     
  10. lmao

    celtic: 35-50/35-80

    ---------- Post added at 01:07 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:04 AM ----------

    ambully classes has to do with height

    pocket:around 16-17 inches from hat i understand
     
  11. 444

    444 Big Dog Premium Member

    The American Pit Bull Terrier must be both powerful and agile so actual weight and height are less important than the correct proportion of weight to height. Desirable weight for a mature male in good condition is between 35 and 60 pounds. Desirable weight for a mature female in good condition is between 30 and 50 pounds. Dogs over these weights are not to be penalized unless they are disproportionately massive or rangy.
    United Kennel Club: American Pit Bull Terrier (Revised November 1, 2008)


     
  12. self_made

    self_made Little Dog


    Yes female is 16 and under and males are 17 and under. But, height isn't th only factor that comes in to play overall body mass is a factor also. You could have pocket and a extreme the same height but, still be two different types. Also most smaller versions of breeds are considered pocket or miniture or teacup. So when you used the term pocket thats what I thought of. The apbt your talking about are well conditioned standard apbt.
     
  13. CelticKarma

    CelticKarma Good Dog

    In all my years of owning the American Pit Bull Terrier I have never ever heard anyone call their dog a pocket pit even if they had a 28lb dog.....Thanks for posting that .....

    Comparing the American Pit Bull Terrier to the American Bully is like Self_Made said....Apples to Oranges there really is no comparing the two dogs. No American Pit Bull Terrier owner would call their dog a pocket pit, well at least not one that had any damn knowledge on the breed. The APBT does not fall into class/type like the AmBully does.

    Dave Wilson has no more control over what people are mixing in their breeding then you do. Mix breeding dogs has been around as long as there has been dogs. There are always going to be those that find a way to screw the system no matter how good the system is, there are always going to be dumb asses that mix things they shouldn't and hang papers. That is why I am very picky on who I get a dog from and I breed for my own stock that way I know that I know where my dogs come from.....
     
  14. ive never heard anyone call thier dog a pocket pit also. i was just being sarcastic refering to a small pit as being "pocket"(smaller version as self made described)

    i very much dissagree when you say comparing an ambully to a apbt. not to start an argument but ambully was derived from the staff/apbt. almost like calling AUDI a VOLKSWAGEN.
    BUT EVERYONE HAS THIER OPINION.

    but i do believe many dogs in abkc are just mixed such as mr.miagi noone can convince me he has just staff/amstaff blood else(going by looks)
     
  15. CelticKarma

    CelticKarma Good Dog

    Well, I own both breeds and I can tell you from first hand knowledge they are nothing a like. Not in looks, not in temperament and not in drive. The thing a AUDI and VOLKSWAGEN does not have is DNA and genetics =)
     
  16. Blaze N' Pits

    Blaze N' Pits Good Dog

    I was unaware that if a registry questions your breeding ethics... they would allow you to get your own test kit and send it in. That's pretty dumb and defeats the purpose. Just kinda makes me wonder how they've caught breeders in the past if that's their routine....? I thought that they would expect you to come to them, do the test in front of them and show them the results for them to revoke or 'un-revoke' your papers.

    Also, I've never said that I like UKC. I was using them as an example as a comparison registry. They have problems too... they also should have and still should do something about the AmBullys being registered as APBTs. But you also have to think that UKC sees no difference between APBT and AST, they are the same to them. If all these AmBully peds are coming UKCs way with nothing more than APBT/AST lines.... then UKC is going to accept them in and think, 'wow, that's one faulty looking purebred'....'we will crap on them at shows but we can't deny their paperwork'. So yes, I agree.... UKC should have been the first to check shit out when these bloodlines became HUGE and all the dogs from those lines didn't look right.... same thing with ADBA. Or maybe Dave Wilson (and other bully breeders) shouldn't have registered their dogs through the UKC and ADBA in the first place? Could go either way.

    Dave Wilson has different classes for the AmBully, some being pocket and xtreme... in which he has to be smart enough to realize that people are going to mix breed to hit these standards... therefore ruining his goals into having his view of the 'perfect' APBT/AST mix.... which would then in turn make him look like an ass, people would start questioning his ethics and if he mix breeds himself because he (in my opinion) is helping the mix breeding by having classes that they fit into. Do you understand what I mean? If he didn't have the pocket or xtreme classes, other people would think, 'hmmm looks like he's trying to keep his breed clean and not add to the mess.'

    And yes, people try to breed 'pocket pits' .... does UKC or ADBA make a class to fit?
    These pockets or xtremes might be able to be registered with paperhung peds into the UKC and ADBA.... but thats about as far as it goes especially through ADBA... there's no way a pocket or xtreme is going to place in any shows or events.... they aren't going to make it farther than simple registration because their is not a standard or class made to suit.
     
  17. CelticKarma

    CelticKarma Good Dog

    O, I agree....the ADBA is my favorite registry for my American Pit Bull Terriers....
     
  18. self_made

    self_made Little Dog


    I disagree a little on that one, looks you can see some apbt traits in your classic and standard dogs, also I have seen a lot of classic and standards with some monster drive, that and temperament has alot to do with the owner and dam and sire. And, mr.miagi is mixed up with a lot of stuff...lol
    but, have you seen his stud fee it's anywhere from 2500 to 7,000. O and audi and volkswagen have almost the same comparison to apbt to am bullies. You couldn't have bullies without apbt. One made the other and now both are still on there own path.

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    O and IMO adba apbt are what they are suppose to be.
     
  19. Rain

    Rain Little Dog

    Will a 22lbs male apbt coming out from california jack himself be considered a pocket apbt? Out from his double silverback breeding.
     
  20. self_made

    self_made Little Dog


    Little info about the ADBA you don't have to hang papers there they accept all AM BULLY lines they are just as bad a the UKC in that sense. Again when sending in papers it say's gottiline's _________ Ok you and I both know gotti line is a bully line not abpt so they know the same but, still in turn the accept the papers take the money and send them papers back. They have just as many GOTTI, EDGE, MIKELAND, CAIRO and everything else in it the same way UKC does. They know that aint no damn APBT with gotti blood in it.
     

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