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Discussion in 'American Bully' started by streetdreams5520, Aug 12, 2011.

  1. " Now I’ve been accused of mixing breed" -DAVE WILSON "NEW"

    LIKE I HAVE ALWAYS SAID I DO BELIEVE MANY HAVE MIXED IN BREEDS SUCH AS FRENCHIE, I DO BELIEVE MANY HAVEN'T. THERE ARE STILL STAFF X APBT TRUE RE CROSSES


    Now the crazier rumors… pertaining to me...

    I’ll try and be short.

    It used to be just some paper hanging crap, but man it has recently gotten out of control.

    No I didn’t hang any papers, I have documented proof, photo proof, and some video proof of every breeding I have ever done, and people have come to my home and seen this first hand. Only I know what I did in my breedings, there is no other source that can say otherwise. Shoot the dogs you see in the peds today are only the ones I decided made the cuts to be Razors Edge, there are so many that didn’t work out right and were never used in the program, what you see now is just a small window of what worked.

    I heard I took peoples names off papers and put mine on them, actually NO it’s the other way around and part of my fall out with that registry was for allowing that at that time. I have had dogs I bred and placed, whose names were changed later in life and it looked like the people I placed dos with created my line.
    But anyway, that’s old news.


    Now I’ve been accused of mixing breeds, and again that was never even an idea in my head, just Pits and Staffs.


    Lately I’ve been accused of stealing dogs, killing dogs, killing people, threatening people, being girl jealous; just flat out crazy ass shit!!!!

    Seriously!
    dave wilson himself

    whole letter here
    Thats it, Im out, Im done, I quit, everything must go!!! - The Elite Edge American Bully Forum
     
  2. CelticKarma

    CelticKarma Good Dog

    I don't care who you are you are always going to have haters. I like Dave Wilson and I am sure he has more haters then any of us, just because of who he is and what he has started. I did go read the whole thing and he made this statement .....

    Since 2004 the ABKC has validated this breed, and it’s been a home to all of you.
    It was never created for the purpose of business; it was created to protect our breed and us its fanciers.
    The concept behind the ABKC goes even deeper, it wasn’t just to give the breed a name, it was also so we all had a way to display our breed and come together in an environment free from discrimination. As I have told the story many times, I went to a UKC show in Cali and many people came out to meet me, a lot with Razors Edge dogs, Gotti dogs, and King Lion dogs. They set up in a tent away from the ring and not making any commotion, they just wanted to come out and show support and show off their UKC registered dogs. The hosts of the event told them all to leave. We had to fight to allow them to stay.
    I came back to L.A. shortly after to another UKC show in a park. On one end of the park was the show that was going on, and on another end of the park far from the show, people came out and set up tents and grills and were hanging out with their dogs.
    Again the host told them to leave, but this time called the police and had them removed like they were criminals. I was trying to stop it and people were telling me this is how it always is, we have UKC registered dogs and we just want to come out and support. They always have us removed and we aren’t doing anything wrong.


    This is why I refuse to support the UKC with my money!!!! I have heard so many stories like this and it is not even funny. The UKC does not mind taking your money and registering your dog as a breed it is not but try showing that dog and this is what happens, that is unless you have a Amstaff looking American Bully but I be damn if I am going to show my American Bully as a breed it is not and have a registry CH it out as a Breed it is not. What is that saying about your American Bully???? That it does not look like an American Bully but like a Amstaff or APBT??? Not my dogs!!!! Mine are American Bullies and I want them recognized as such! As a matter fact I would be a little disappointed and heart broke if my AmBullies fail into the UKC standards for APBT......
     
  3. Kamdon

    Kamdon GRCH Dog

    I have been a member over there for months but cant post because they havent approved my account.

    This is a good post. The man sure does have some haters.......
     
  4. bluestark

    bluestark American Bully Moderator

    I am a member of his facebook page,and cant believe the shit he says people have said about him...
    You know he said he is tired of dog drama,and is getting into politics. HAHA
     
  5. CelticKarma

    CelticKarma Good Dog

    I am a member over there but never post, and he is on my facebook also. I am not shocked in the least at what has been said about him, I know I have a few haters myself in the Bully world and you would not believe the shit they have said about me and the trouble and drama they have caused, hell I had to contact my attorney who is in the process of filing a harassment, rights to privacy, impersonating and falsifying recording, defamation and a whole slur of other charges my lawyer feels can stick. As bad as I hate to follow through with it I know I am going to have too for these people to leave me alone, truly sad because I don't hate them at all.....But some of these people are out for blood and if your the subject of their attacks it is pretty ugly. I am just not one to sit back and let them do it to me, I will hit them in the pocketbook LOL

    I can just imagine what he goes through. If he would start taking legal action it would put a stop to a lot of that crap....
     
  6. Kamdon

    Kamdon GRCH Dog

    Facebook told me he gas too many friend requests. Try back later....... Lol
     
  7. Humblepit

    Humblepit Good Dog

    Maybe if there were only classic, standard, and pocket classes then I think a lot of people wouldn't say Dave Wilson has mixed breeds! But then again I don't because people love to hate!
     
  8. Blaze N' Pits

    Blaze N' Pits Good Dog

    If all he wanted was to have APBT X AST ..... then why would he allow other standards that make no sense for the 'AmBully' as a breed.... pocket? xtreme? .... pretty sure you can't get those by breeding only APBT X AST.
    Even if Dave himself didn't produce a pocket or xtreme... he has made a standard for them within 'his breed'.
    He needs to get his shit together to be taken seriously.
    That's why people say things that are disrespectful...doesn't take a genius to figure why people are mad... especially when those people own and love the original APBT and/or AST. They feel as if their breed/s are being taken and changed/ruined... 'AmBullies' are not an improvement.
    I just don't understand why Dave is shocked by the emotions of the APBT and AST owners.
    A lot of people that own the original breeds that are used to produce designer breeds feel angry towards the founder... it should be expected.
     
  9. CelticKarma

    CelticKarma Good Dog

    Guys please respond to class/type in the proper thread....thanks
     
  10. Blaze N' Pits

    Blaze N' Pits Good Dog

    That's the whole reason people think he is cross breeding to more than just the APBT and AST like he's mentioned.
    And if he didn't cross breed himself, he is allowing it within his registry... therefore he is ok with it.
    If he wouldn't have allowed certain classes/types to be registered through his registry and given a set of standards.... then he probably wouldn't have nearly as much disrespect flying his way. That and maybe a purpose to create a breed that produced better quality dogs than the original APBT and AST... instead of breeding just for looks.
    So IMO class/type has A LOT to do with this thread.
     
  11. 444

    444 Big Dog Premium Member

    I typically refer to this editorial written by Mr. Wilson when he or others piss and moan about the accusations of breed mixing...

    "We blended different breeds together to obtain certain desired traits. The American pit bull terrier was one of the breeds whose lineage is in the background of this breed, but it is by no means the only breed behind it."

    "Even the part of the lineage that is American pit bull terrier stems from United Kennel Club-registered conformation show dogs! There is also an American Kennel Club-registered show breed in the lineage of this breed called the American Staffordshire terrier. Some breeders even included some bulldog lineage into their breeding. This breed has been established for over 10 years now."
    Fredericksburg.com - Come see our gentle 'bullies,' unfairly savaged by a currish editorial

    There was known breed mixing since the inception of the Bully.It wasn't a secret,it wasn't discouraged,but now it's an issue.That issue likely being that no legitimate institution will ever recognize these dogs as a breed with such a scattered and inconsistent gene pool.
     
  12. Blaze N' Pits

    Blaze N' Pits Good Dog

    It wasn't a secret that, "some breeders even included some bulldog lineage" .....
    He gets mad when people say that he himself bred with more breeds that just the APBT and AST.... yet, he has no problem with other people doing it? He is quite the person if you ask me.
    Why does he care so much if he's ok with other people adding in different breeds and still claiming them as the breed he created? He should look at those dogs and say, 'that's not an Ambully'.

    Can someone share a pedigree of an ABKC reg. AmBully that has non APBT or AST lines? If Dave is claiming that 'some people use bulldog lineage' and he knows it.... then their should be some sort of pedigree that shows it right?
     
  13. self_made

    self_made Little Dog

    I have never seen a Am bully ped with any bulldog lineage. Not saying There isn't any out there, And I have checked most of the bigger studs out there and still none.
     
  14. Blaze N' Pits

    Blaze N' Pits Good Dog

    I know... that's kinda my point. Dave Wilson knows that other people have included 'bulldog'... but yet, I have not once seen an Ambully with 'bulldog' lineage... it's always APBT/AST...
     
  15. cliffdog

    cliffdog Good Dog

    Paper hanging. It has been around in EVERY SINGLE BREED since the first pedigree was written and will not end any time soon.
     
  16. Blaze N' Pits

    Blaze N' Pits Good Dog

    But you'd think, if you're the founder of your own breed and registry (which is somewhat 'new')... and you know that paper hanging is going on (and often enough to cause issues) that you would try to do some dna testing on some questionable breedings.... He isn't really attempting to stop the paper-hanging... he is encouraging it.
     
  17. "ENCOURAGING IT" WOW? this is how rumors start
     
  18. CelticKarma

    CelticKarma Good Dog

    They offer DNA testing...but that really does not prove anything....There is not a registry on the face of this earth that has not had people hanging papers. Registries can only take measures to make it harder for people to do but there is no way to prevent it all together. There is always going to be lairs and crooks in this world that find away around everything.
     
  19. self_made

    self_made Little Dog

    Paper hangers are like thieves while we are thinking of ways to stop them. They are thinking of ways to get us. There isn't a way to put a stop to paper hanging in any reg. You can't dna test every dog or pup that price would be out the roof. Then in turn the dog price go up.
     
  20. Blaze N' Pits

    Blaze N' Pits Good Dog

    Well, when the founder has standards for pockets and extreme.... but yet all the peds for those dogs are nothing more than APBT or AST lines.... but the pocket dogs look just like pugs, or bostons, bulldogs, etc..... I'd kinda call that encouraging it. Don't know how you look at it.



    ---------- Post added at 10:23 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:17 AM ----------

    To DNA test the claimed sire and dam to the claimed litter/pup would show proof that yes those parents are the legit parents. I do not mean the DNA testing to show breed purity (I already know that isn't 100%).
    Yes, I already understand there are paper-hangers in all registries, within all breeds... but do you see UKC or ADBA producing standards and classes for pocket APBTs knowing that breeders are going to paper-hang in order to produce the 'perfect pocket APBT' in 2 generations??? Those are the questionable breedings that should be checked out....



    ---------- Post added at 10:26 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:23 AM ----------

    Dave Wilson needs to own up to his faults.....
    Yes, some people in this world can be cruel and say very unecessary hurtful things...
    But their are others that do not like what he has done that feel that his morals are un-ethical, this is how I feel.

    I do not hate AmBullys... I do not hate any dog... do not think that I am a hater as I am not. I'm just trying to have some of you understand why I and possibly others do not respect Dave Wilson.
     

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