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Newborn bull terrier:) help with color

Discussion in 'Bull Terrier' started by Yaniamrivera, Jan 25, 2013.

  1. MsAcer

    MsAcer Good Dog

    Diffident breeds call different colors different things!
    I'm still trying to figures out the different BT ones!
    Cute little newbie puppy...
  2. Ali132

    Ali132 Good Dog

    That was going to be my guess too

    COS BT's dont come in that colour

    And that pup is defiantly NOT a tri!
  3. CallSignOWL

    CallSignOWL Good Dog

    Didnt know they are not supposed to come in sable.

    But just because they are not supposed to, doesn't not mean that they can't. IIRC, you said there are no such things as blue Labradors, however genetics says there are. You can have a blue Labrador if you breed for it. But it is recessive and not in the standard, hence why it is so rare.

    I'll be interested to see the color change of this pup. Keep updating OP, we wanna see how this one turns out.
  4. CallSignOWL

    CallSignOWL Good Dog

    dunno how I forgot to mention this as well. As I understand it, genetically sable is recessive and requires a dog to have not only a^y alleles, but also have a dilution of the k alleles as well (the dog needs a kk, but KK, Kk, or k^br will not allow for the sable gene to be expressed).
  5. TannerG

    TannerG Boss Member

    i know how u forgot to mention it
  6. CallSignOWL

    CallSignOWL Good Dog

  7. xchairity_casex

    xchairity_casex Good Dog

  8. CallSignOWL

    CallSignOWL Good Dog

    explain please?
    You said they cant come in sable, but Ive found photos of BTs that look sable to me.
  9. xchairity_casex

    xchairity_casex Good Dog

    im haveing a really shitty day since the moment i woke up-im in a piss poor mood and for some reason people doubting me when i say this puppy is red and white with smut markings is really annoying me is all-i dont not want to be rude and snap at anyone-im simply annoyed and donot wanna bitch at anyone.

    please dont take it personally.
  10. CallSignOWL

    CallSignOWL Good Dog

    maybe I dont like people doubting me when I say the pup is sable? :P I kid.

    I am new to coat genetics, so I am interested in why you say they cant be sable. Nothing personal here, just an educational debate. I give my reasons, you give yours. That how we learn. :)
  11. xchairity_casex

    xchairity_casex Good Dog

    im not saying they CANT be sable- but im saying that pup is simply red and white smut-all red and white pups look like that when born.
    let me guess- your thinking its sable due to the black hairs thruout the coat correct?

    those black hairs spread out and fade as the dog matures, the black hairs are mostly concentrated around the tail and ears-making it almost look solid black. red bully pups will look as though there tails have been "dipped" in black ink, as they age it fades, Cesar still have black hairs thruout his tail, not like when he was younger though im sure.

    how i know this? i have over 400 Bull Terrier breeder freinds on FB i talk to all the time, i see there litters pictuers from day one till they are adults having pups of there own, im a member of the international bull terrier forum and one of my most frequented pages on the forum is the puppies page-a page for new litters and new litter anoucments where pictures of the litter is posted untill the pups go to new homes, and many of those pups owners come back on to post the dogs pictures in other sections of the forum.

    i just took these pictures of Cesars tail, ears and back.
    you can see the black hairs throughout his tail and his ears and the dark red stripe down his back.

    no-he does not have as many black hairs as the puppy that is because he is now over 2 years old, when he was 4 months old everyone laughed at his tail for looking like it had been dipped in ink as the entire thing was nothing but black hairs almost. alot of the black hairs thruout the body will fall out/fade by the time the pup is about 4 weeks old itll become a rich red.

    if the puppy were fawn it would be a lighter red with less black hairs in the coat and more of a red, as it aged it would get lighter almost blonde in color.
    i tried to google pics of red BT pups ageing but couldnt find any so you could see how the black fades and dissapears.
  12. CallSignOWL

    CallSignOWL Good Dog

    Then what is the difference between a red, fawn, fawn smut, and red smut when a red looks like it is a red smut? I was looking this up and this site said that many Red & White colored EBT's are actually Red Smut and White. Isnt the dark area around the head an indicator of a sable dog like this chart (and the author) claims?

    How accurate would you describe this chart?

    original link here:http://www.bulliesofnc.com/BTforum/discussion/35/proper-ebt-colors-and-codes/p1
    Last edited by a moderator: Jan 25, 2013
  13. xchairity_casex

    xchairity_casex Good Dog

    RED: a solid red Bull Terrier with minimal white markings (as in no white collar around the neck and throat and lack of a white face blaze) with NO smut markings (smut markings are the black mouth markings) i personally have NEVER seen a solid red with no smut markings before-extremly rare.

    FAWN: fawn would be a solid colored dog (again lack of white markings on the neck and face) and no black smut markings-probably even more rare then the red dog.

    Fawn smut: a fawn dog with black smut face markings. i have seen a few gorgeous dogs,prescious stone bullies retierd male is a fawn smut. hers a link to him on her page.>http://psbullies.webs.com/sires.htm< see how light and washed out his color is? that is a fawn dog the black markings make him a smut.

    Red Smut: a red smut is a solid red dog with minimal white markings on the body with black smut markings lie this one> PackDogs9ChihuahuaBullTerrierSpudsRoxiHeads.jpg

    while Cesar my male would be a red and white smut marked dog. understand a bit better?

    lemme see if i can find a red and white with no to minal smut markings
  14. xchairity_casex

    xchairity_casex Good Dog

    another google image-this bully (from this side anyways) is a red and white with no smut markings-see there is no black outlining the white meeting red on the face?
    View attachment 48825
  15. CallSignOWL

    CallSignOWL Good Dog

    thanks for the posts! But that attachment isn't working. :/

    so the pup is a fawn smut(sable) dog. The fur looks too tan-ish to be red to me.
  16. Ali132

    Ali132 Good Dog

    I've never seen a sable coloured BT and I like CC have many BT breeders on my fb that post litters and their dogs.

    As for the blue labs, they are a designer bred mutt that people claim to be pure bred "silver" labs. They are obviously mixed with weims.
  17. CallSignOWL

    CallSignOWL Good Dog

    just because you havent seen it, doenst meant is does not exist ;)

    med_4e5151700b912.jpg med_4e5352202bb96.jpg Reno-Carl.jpg

    like I said, the sable/smut (same color, different name) is recessive

    and whether or not blue labs are mixed, the blue appears in their coats the same way it appears in APBTs...doubling up on the recessive d. DD or Dd, will not show the dilution.
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  18. xchairity_casex

    xchairity_casex Good Dog

    no, the OPs pup is a red and white smut, a fawn pup does not have so many black hairs- the more black hairs the darker richer red the dog will be.
  19. CallSignOWL

    CallSignOWL Good Dog

  20. xchairity_casex

    xchairity_casex Good Dog

    while not scientific-its somthing i have deff observed! i so wish i had beter access to other peoples pictures!!

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