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New rescue pitbull mom needs help :)

Discussion in 'Introductions' started by Evann, Dec 13, 2018.

  1. PITPAL

    PITPAL Puppy


    And how do you propose we do that? Legally? Are you saying yours will beat mine on an agility course? How about the vertical jump? Maybe the long jump, or weight pull? Could your bulldogs even perform at one of these events due to its level of aggression. I may not have the dogs I’m going to start my breeding program from, but that only proves I’m being very careful and particular about what dogs are going to produce my gen1 Hybrid.

    Look AGK,
    I’ll let you go on producing your highly inbred dogs that can’t be taken Into public due to their insane amount of aggression and inability to learn obedience.

    And i’ll Be patient and wait for those special bloodlines that have a COI if less than 8% and preferably 5%. When I do I’ll produce dogs that are capable of going with me to the farm store, run along side my horses and gun dogs on a ride through the river bottoms, compete in all the ADBA events and weightpull in their weight classes, and so on.
    If, a bunch of us get together in the meantime and put our heads together and are able to invent then lobby for a standardized method for game testing then I’ll be able to to see if they are game also.


    One more question AGK.
    When I’m able to pull this off, and my dogs are doing all the things I just listed above. Are you going to buy one of my dogs, or are you going to keep insisting real pit bulls are have to be like yours? With little to no use to anyone outside of those using them for illegal purposes?
     
  2. AGK

    AGK Scratch Kingz Staff Member Super Moderator

    No, I wouldn't. I don't buy curs.
    As far as you letting me do anything, well, that's funny. You don't have a choice but to. Lol
    Also, there are already dogs out there like what your describing that you want. They call them Am Bullies and Am Staffs.......
    Maybe you should go to an ADBA show and see for yourself what the real version of these dogs are actually about before you go on and try to make the breed into something it's not.....
     
  3. PITPAL

    PITPAL Puppy


    Why do you continually talk shit without answering any of the questions asked? I looked back and didn’t see any pedigrees you posted. (My apologies if I missed them). And how do u know my dogs would be curs?
    How do u know your dogs aren’t???????
    Answer the question hot shot!
    Truth is you don’t know shit about genetics. If you did you wouldn’t be proud that you have psychotic dogs with COI’s over 30%. How many of your dogs live past the age of 11? My guess is almost none.
    It’s hard for me to believe you truly care about this breed. If u did #1 you’d be a bit more concerned about their genetics.
    #2 you’d be taking every opportunity to boast of all the good attributes the breed has to offer, not the opposite as you’ve done in many of your last post.
    #3 instead of constantly telling everyone else how stupid they are you might want to educate yourself a little more about the breed. I doubt you’ve read more books on the breed than have I. And even if you have you’d have to admit that in the late 1800’s and early 1900’s most of these dogs were kept untethered on the farm. These farms had animals and other dogs, and somehow they all got along.

    You may not think these dogs have any use but to be stuck in a pit and fought.
    But you can’t fault me or the rest of us that use them for other purposes.
     
  4. AGK

    AGK Scratch Kingz Staff Member Super Moderator

    I talk the way I do to you because i have answered all of your questions you've asked. You just aren't reading them so why the fuck would I waste anymore time trying to answer more. Also, Because your nobody and I dont have shit to prove to you. Your not my peer, buddy partner or pal. You ask a lot of stupid ass questions trying all too hard, almost cop like, to get me to incriminate myself on a public forum as well as acting like you know these dogs and you don't even have one. That's the most imposterous clown ass shit I ever heard of lol.. I don't have a need to prove myself to you. Many here know me, many more whos opinions i actually value know me as well offline. Theres a perfect saying we use that applies here. Those who know, know, those who don't, theres a reason for that......... ;)
    Your the only one on this topic that thinks the way you do amongst many who actually own these dogs. Yet you act like your an authority on the breed and you dont even own one nor do you accept the natural characteristics of this breed of dog. Your delirious version of what these dogs are and aren't is comical to everyone here dude. Read more and post less is the only advise i can give you......
    Plus you do nothing but assume shit and speculate about shit you know nothing about while trying to put words in my mouth and it's so very obvious. I also dont tell anyone here or talk shit to everyone here as you put it. Only you because you fail to grasp the most simple truths of this breed.....

    My dogs live to be 12 to 15 years of age of a regular basis. Damn near ALL of them smart guy.....
     
  5. AGK

    AGK Scratch Kingz Staff Member Super Moderator

    Next you'll be telling us they were nanny dogs.......
     
  6. AGK

    AGK Scratch Kingz Staff Member Super Moderator

    Here you go since you seem unable to find where I answered many of these questions you keep asking as well as a pedigree with some of my dogs in it.
     
  7. PITPAL

    PITPAL Puppy


    Maybe you need to pay a visit to the optometrist. (That’s an eye dr.) the dog on my avatar is brindle and white. Isnt a blue hair on him. He’s a rescue pup. The kids wanted a new pup so we took a visit to the shelter. Since then we found out that he’s not a mix at all. He’s the runt of a litter that was bred by some trash that were sending these dogs to Chicago and Detroit. Don’t know why they kept him but when the trailer got busted and the adults went to jail on meth charges the kids didn’t want to leave their dogs. He’s one of them. Not a mean bone in him. Not yet anyway.
     
  8. AGK

    AGK Scratch Kingz Staff Member Super Moderator

    It's a shitty quality picture. Either way enjoy him.
     
  9. PITPAL

    PITPAL Puppy

     
  10. Worg

    Worg Big Dog

    To add to what Oldman first said, it can go the other way as well where dogs only behave aggressively when there is a barrier, I see it all day every day at work. Kennel and leash aggression is trained and controlled similarly to how you would train this excitement. Even if he isn't being aggressive, it needs to be controlled. Dogs dont need dog friends so dont feel bad about not letting him get at other dogs.

    Pointers, guardians, herders and retrievers certainly do need to be taught, TONS of training go into these dogs to make them good at their job. Guardian dogs are often solely for the appearance, but both IPO and PP are a LOT of work to train a dog how to guard and protect. Breeding gives them the capability to be trained for these tasks, which is why most hounds cant be IPO dogs even with training. I would agree less training goes into fighting dogs as there is less structure, but the way you worded your comment made it sound like all these dogs naturally do their job without ANY help.
     
  11. AGK

    AGK Scratch Kingz Staff Member Super Moderator

    I own APBT DUMB ASS.

    You have no idea how that dog is bred so i don't believe you have a purebred dog. Since you cant prove it with paperwork we'll just agree to disagree on what you really own.


    What I said is that I don’t own the dogs in which I’m going to begin my breeding program.

    And my money is that you probably haven’t ever had one of your inbred psychos live past 10.

    You would loose your money fool. I have 2 right now that are 11 and 10 and look phenomenal and are in good health. There you go again not reading what i already posted. Smh.

    With a COI OF 35% whatever u have now u won’t have for long. And I may not know everything but I’ve read a bunch and owned them since 2000.

    Yet still not one pedigree posted by you. Thats pretty suspect....
    I read alot of surgical books. Does that then make me a surgeon? Come back when you have the real deal then tell me what you learn from hands on expierence with them.


    Got my first one from a dear friends dad that had some great fighting dogs. If you are from the north ozarks you’d probably know him. His dogs went all over the US and to Panama and Mexico.
    Well he’s dead now and I can’t find anyone that has that bloodline. But I doubt he’d agree with most of what you’ve ran on about. He didn’t have anything to prove, his dogs did that for him.
    And although they were great pit dogs, the little female I brought home with me after a deer hunting trip in northern Arkansas lived by my side, going everywhere I did for 3 months shy of 15 yrs.

    Still waiting for that pedigree....

    so before denigrate me and make fun of the dogs I don’t have, know that i have had these dogs and have researched them and K9 genetics to the point I was blessed to have worked on an 8 year GSP breeding program. In general I doubt few are better read than i. And although I don’t have a yard full of APBT’s I have worked with and enjoyed having them as a part of my family for years.
    Let me just bow down to your greatness since you cant even read what i have posted and asked the same questions i answered over and over again im forced to question your level of comprehension lol. Personally, i think your full of it and you still haven't convinced me otherwise. Doubt you will.

    I doubt that you and I are ever going to be able to help one another. So this will be the last post I waist my time on with you.
    Good luck and God bless

    I finally agree with you!
    Bless you as well..... Good luck. I feel your really going to need it.
     
  12. brindle

    brindle Little Dog

    I'd have to disagree with the comment about pointers needing to be trained to hunt.

    If one knows about hunting pointers, they should know of the Elhew Pointers bred by Bob Wehle, who started his line back in the 1930s.

    I wish I could quickly find his exact comment, but I remember the gist of it… something like "If a dog has to be trained to do what he's bred for, then he's not bred right.."

    Bob Wehle wrote several books too, which are worth reading and his Elhew Pointers were well known field trial winning dogs, he even ran a team of them in a sled dog race back in 1963 and won the trophy. He knew his dogs. I met him years ago in upstate NY, wish I had known him better. He died in 2002, his kennel continued until a few months ago.

    here are a few links about him and his dogs --

    https://www.nytimes.com/1973/03/04/...ue-of-his-breeding-ideas-calendar-of-dog.html

    https://coveyrisemagazine.com/the-elhew-legacy/
     
  13. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Staff Member Administrator

    POST YOUR PEDS!!!!
     
  14. Worg

    Worg Big Dog

    You cannot breed in commands, they still need a lot of training learn how to hunt along side people and take direction. There is more to hunting pointers than JUST having them point, which yes they should do naturally.
     
  15. brindle

    brindle Little Dog

    Yes, I agree, pointers do need to learn the commands and how to work with people, but they should have that bred in instinct to go out and find birds.

    I think we are both saying the same thing. It's that basic breed instinct to range out and hunt that should be a natural thing, then it is polished and refined by training.

    I'd say some breeds need more training than others to do what they are bred for and it often depends on the individual dog too. And how precise you want that dog to be, such as some of the highly trained border collies and others that know so many words and commands.

    Which all comes back to the bottom line here… the old adage of "never trust a pit bull not to fight". They just don't play well with other dogs, it's a breed trait and if you change that, they are not pit bulls.
     
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  16. brindle

    brindle Little Dog

    And for fun, here;s a little video of a litter of 11 wk old setter pups pointing --



    There is a better one from a kennel in Italy but i could not find it. Instinct is a powerful thing!
     
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  17. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Staff Member Administrator

    That is amazing!!!!
     
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  18. oldman

    oldman Little Dog

    In the late 1800s the pit bull was imported and bred by dog fighters. They were imported for their gameness and fighting past history. The UKC was the first registery to register pit bulls. To become registered the dog in question had to win 3 matches.
    The dogs were smaller than today being 30-40lbs.
    Lloyd's Pilot was a dog imported from England. He defeated Crib in the famous match in 1876.
     
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  19. oldman

    oldman Little Dog

    For people who have an interest in the history of the pit bull they should look for a copy of Wayne Brown's book on the history of the pit bull. He has quite a few pedigrees of dogs from years ago up to some more modern dogs. Lots of history of the breed also.
    He also has many of the old magazines from the past. Many famous dogs are advertised as open for matches, puppyies and dogs for sale, and stud fees. Some very famous dogs were available for stud for $5.
     
  20. AGK

    AGK Scratch Kingz Staff Member Super Moderator

    That is pretty awesome.
     

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