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New rescue pitbull mom needs help :)

Discussion in 'Introductions' started by Evann, Dec 13, 2018.

  1. Evann

    Evann Puppy

    Hi! My name is Evann, and I’m a first time dog owner...have rescued a 1 year old neutered male pitbull who had been on the street for about a month before finding him. He’d been thrown out by his previous owner because he wasn’t aggressive and they wanted guard dogs. My pitbull’s name is Rex and he’s the sweetest boy! Great around kids/adults! He’d never been taken on walks leashed before so we are working on that everyday. My question is...when we are out on walks and encounter another dog, he wants to go over to them sooo badly, not in an aggressive way/no posturing/no growling/no showing teeth, but he’ll just pull and cry and even jump to try to get over to the other dog. I can get him to refocus on walking but usually only when the other dog is going the opposite direction and out of sight. And I’m so nervous to let him get close because I don’t know the other dog, I don’t know what Rex might do if that dog barks, etc. How do I safely test this? Anyone else have a similar situation? How do Rex and I get better at this? I feel bad keeping him from other dogs when it doesn’t seems aggressive, but I also don’t ever want to let something negative happen. I would love help/suggestions! Thank you so much! :)
     
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  2. Mister

    Mister Little Dog

    Welcome. As your a first time dog owner I think your best bet is to find a local dog training class near you. Explain you and Rex’s situation and how you want to learn to control him in the situations your describing here.
     
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  3. oldman

    oldman Puppy

    Many pit bulls will not act aggressively unless they are able to touch the other dog. Some will be extremely aggressive to other dogs. Since he is a stray he could be one of many different breeds or a mix of several. Usually with a pure pit bull you will know what to expect. With a cross you can never know what they might do.
     
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  4. Nat Ursula

    Nat Ursula Good Dog

    Cook lean chicken breast and chop it up and bring it on the walks and make him do a sit and focus on you when you see another dog. I would never let mine meet another dog in an excited state like you are describing.
     
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  5. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

    Welcome to the forum
     
  6. Vicki

    Vicki Administrator Staff Member Administrator

    Welcome to PBC!
    I have a female that will act so nonchalant around other dogs, until she's sure they're within striking distance. She'll do a nose touch, and then catch y'all of guard if she's got sufficient reach. Smart little bugger.
     
  7. PITPAL

    PITPAL Puppy

    Welcom Evann,
    Fist off you have a one year old male. He’s going to act like it so don’t be upset with yourself or him if things don’t go just perfectly. He needs badly to be socialized with other dogs. I would check into some doggy day care or boarding facilities in your area and let them know you want your dog to have some play time with other dogs they know and are familiar with. Chances are he’ll do just fine but if he does have a mean streak they will be better equipped to handle a fight than you will be. If he plays fine and isn’t aggressive in a doggy daycare setting then he’ll probability be fine in a dog park or meeting other dogs on the street.

    Once he’s gotten some of this out of his system you can start simple obedience training. Make him sit, then quickly walk him away in a direction away from the stimulant. Once you get him clear make him sit again then give him a treat or just live all over him making sure he knows you know he’s a good boy. Continue to work on the sitting until he is able to sit still until the other dogs clear out and repeat the positive reinforcement. Once you’ve mastered this I’d let him start to greet other dogs.
    But definitely get him into a daycare or boarding facility that he can socialize and play till he’s pooped out. That will make it seem not so mean when you keep him from greeting another dog while on a walk or at rural king or county farm expo.

    How is he when people walk past? Does he try to jump at them also or is he oblivious?
     
  8. PITPAL

    PITPAL Puppy

    Do you have any pictures of him?
    How large is he?
    What type of collar and leash are you using?
    Is he a house dog?
    What are his accommodations?
     
  9. oldman

    oldman Puppy

    I would never let a pit bull be put in such a place as a doggie day care or a dog park. That is just asking for your dog to be taken away from you. People in those places are not experienced with an aggressive pit bull. If, and when, something happens you will most likely have the police called and stand the chance of them taking your dog.
     
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  10. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

    Very bad advice. This breed does not need to go to doggy day care or boarding facilities. And FYI, a lot of these doggy day cares are NOT equipped and have no idea what to do if a fight would break out.

    Do your research and if your dog needs training, get someone who KNOWS what this breed is about.
     
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  11. brindle

    brindle Little Dog

    At a year old your dog is still quite young. You do not know his history, nor how he was raised. Many young dogs are playful, but pit bulls play rough and other dogs do not always understand this, and when the other dog gets pissed, and the pit bull pushes it, then you have a fight. You really have to know your dog's signals and be able to read the other dog's signals too.

    As stated above I would not take him to dog parks nor dog day care places, those are not for pit bulls or bull breeds. This is a pit bull or pit bull mix, the breed was bred for fighting other dogs and basically they do not need doggy friends. You can work with him, and teach him to listen to you, using the cooked chicken works very well. Teach him to sit and look at you for the reward.

    If you want to try introducing him to another young playful dog, pick one you know and talk with the owner and see if they will let them meet on leash so you have some control to see if they might get along or not. Male/female usually works best. Keep the first meeting short, let them sniff each other and see how they act. Then let them meet again a few days later and see how they do. After a bit, you might let them hop around a bit on leash. I would not trust letting both dogs off leash at any time, not worth the risk.

    Of the pit bulls I have had in the past, they are all different, some liked other dogs and some did not. Some liked other dogs until they matured at about age 2, others were fine with other dogs all their lives. But I never let them get too excited and I did not let them run off leash and play hard with other dogs. It was just a short meeting with a dog they knew and got along with on long lead for about 20 mins at most. And I had quite a few dogs I would meet on walks and both dogs would be civil and sniff each other then walk on by.

    But in the long run it is really best to teach your dog to ignore other dogs and to look at you. Teach him to play ball with you and other ways to work off energy. Pit bulls and pit bull mixes are not dog park dogs.
     
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  12. PITPAL

    PITPAL Puppy

    Wow!
    Why are all of you people assuming she is going to have an aggressive dog??? I take my APBT to doggy daycare every week. He’s one of about 20 “pit bull” type dogs that frequent the facility every week. The problem dogs that I know about have not been “Pitt bull” type dogs. And I’m not sure what you all have in your areas, but the folks st the facility are trained and are far better at managing a fight than most owners.
    I believe it’s the mentality that you all have expressed that gives the breed a bad reputation. I understand that some dogs are just too animal aggressive to be around other dogs. But this is the exception for most breeds, the APBT included. Keeping him from interacting with other dogs will certainly lead to socialization issues. That dog needs interaction with other dogs. Chances are he will play and do just fine. If there is a problem they will be all over it and she will not loose her dog just because there is a fight. It happens.


    Evan , when you hear people saying things like “this breed shouldn’t “ or “these dogs have no business “ you should ignore them. First off you only said you have a 1 year old pit bull puppy. This could mean one of several breeds and most pitbull pups are not going to be aggressive with other dogs as long as they are introduced early. The longer you wait the more frustrated your dog will become. Frustration can lead to aggression. And that is when you and your dog can get into all sorts of trouble. Call around or visit some local boarding facilities. If they are comfortable taking your dog in then trust them. Let your dog socialize and ply his heart out. Once you’ve done this, training will be much easier and you will have a much, much happier dog.
    Good luck
     
  13. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

    We are not assuming anything. We are just making sure WE don't set the dog up to fail. And don't believe for one minute that if there is a problem, the OP won't lose her dog OR that the facility will be "all over it". I think it's your mentality that ruins it for everyone else. There are plenty of other ways to keep your dog happy. Having a bully breed and letting him "mingle" at dog parks, doggy day care is not one of them. This breed loves humans much more than other dogs.
     
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  14. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

  15. PITPAL

    PITPAL Puppy

    I never said to turn the dog loose at a dog park to mingle. I said a dog park would be a good place to go after the dog has been socialized at a competent boarding facility or doggy daycare. And your broad widesweeping comment that all bully breeds like people better than dogs isn’t accurate.

    I don’t want to argue or sound like a know it all, but it’s not fair of you to do what the media is so great at, and misrepresent all the dogs labeled under all these breeds to be incapable of interacting with other dogs. Or to say they all like people better than other dogs. I’ve been around a lot of APBT’s, AmStafs, and to a lesser extent the blue dogs and American Bully’s. The truth is that most of them are just like any other dog. They will interact with other dogs like other dogs, they will interact with people like other dogs, they have individuals that need culled like other breeds of dogs.
    If any of these “bully breeds” as you call them are well socialized they will react like and behave in a predictable manner. Just like any other breed.

    Not giving these dogs the opportunity to be socialized is what causes them to react with unpredictable aggression or ferocity when a meeting occurs.
    This same thing will happen with a German Shepard, Rotwieller, Most of the Gaurdian breeds, and any other powerful capable dog. It’s just common sense.
     
  16. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

    The breed is dog aggressive. It's a genetic trait, and a normal one. No matter how well socialized a pit bull is, if they are DA, there is nothing you can do other than not to set the dog up to fail. I don't care how well socialized your dog is....if the dog is DA there is no amount of socialization that will train that out.
    German shepards, rotties, dobermans, etc.....they are guardian breeds. Different genetic makeup. You are mixing apples and oranges IF you are comparing them to pit bulls.
     
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  17. PITPAL

    PITPAL Puppy

    They are all dogs. Dogs will act predictably when socialized from an early age. If u happen to have a dog aggressive PB or any other breed you see that as they interact with other dogs. At some point a responsible dog owner makes the determination that their dog is dog aggressive and must be kept away from other dogs.
    And to say that pit bulls are all genetically Dog aggressive is NOT TRUE! Some are, but many are not. More are not than are if socialized well from an early age. HELL, even some of the fighting dogs were allowed to come into the house where other dogs and cats lived. They coexisted well in many cases.

    I have to ask, what is your experience with APBT’s and other bully breeds?
     
  18. PITPAL

    PITPAL Puppy

    They are all dogs. Dogs will act predictably when socialized from an early age. If u happen to have a dog aggressive PB or any other breed you see that as they interact with other dogs. At some point a responsible dog owner makes the determination that their dog is dog aggressive and must be kept away from other dogs.
    And to say that pit bulls are all genetically Dog aggressive is NOT TRUE! Some are, but many are not. More are not than are if socialized well from an early age. HELL, even some of the fighting dogs were allowed to come into the house where other dogs and cats lived. They coexisted well in many cases.

    I have to ask, what is your experience with APBT’s and other bully breeds?
     
  19. oldman

    oldman Puppy

    I have 69 years experience with pit bulls. Back around 1985 people started thinking that pit bulls were just like all other breeds. That is the time people started seeing attacks by pit bulls. The dogs that were attacking people and other dogs were not the pit bulls owned by the people who had brought them into the U.S. and had bred the dogs for a hundred years. The attacks were by dogs that were owned by people who thought the pit bull was just like any other dog.
    I knew the pit bull that killed one of the first people. Knew him well. His owner, for 4 years, died and another family took the dog. It wasn't 6 months until the dog killed a kid.
    Pit bulls are not like all other breeds. They should not be treated like other breeds. Some people still insist they can take a pit bull and raise it different and the traits bred into them for hundreds of years will somehow disappear. When they find out they are wrong it is after the dog has acted like a pit bull and someone or some animal has to pay the price for their carelessness.
    Please do some research on the breed before getting one. The breed is already on it's last legs. They do not need anyone causing them more problems.
     
  20. PITPAL

    PITPAL Puppy

    I completely agree with you oldman. With all you years of experience are you saying that all APBT’s are unfit for a doggy daycare or a trip to rural king with an owner who knows his dog?
    I’ve owned a few, not nearly as many as you have. I’ve been around a bunch, probably not a bunch in your experience but more than the avg person.
    My best friends dad raised some well bred pit dogs. Some were destined for a life on the chain out of the reach of other dogs. I’ve seen what happens when one of these dogs get loose. There’s no doubt that certain individuals cannot be let loose around other dogs, and probably shouldn’t ever be off the chain unless a very experienced dog man is working with him.
    Not all APBT’s are like that though. A fighting dog is taught to fight from an early age and consequently most are never able to be normal pets. Many however are socialized when young. They end up being as normal and predictable as any other dog. I’m not saying they aren’t confident and brave and wouldn’t fight back if attacked. They would and predictably so. That still doesn’t mean they can’t be a dog and put into social settings.
    At least that has been my experience over the last 20 years or so.
     

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