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Moms boxer got human aggressive

Discussion in 'General Dog Discussions' started by K_Hodges, Feb 27, 2012.

  1. VonKromeHaus

    VonKromeHaus Good Dog

    There is a HUGE difference between HA and a dog being a dog. From the OPs post, MY feelings on it are that a trainer needs to get involved and evaluate the dog as well as the dog needs managed better. BUT I also think that too many people here constantly jump on the "OMG, it growled at someone, put it to SLEEP!" philosophy.

    I own a Working bred GSD that is wonderful with people and kids, Not only is he a Personal Protection dog but he is also a Therapy dog. However, at home, if someone came to my door wearing a hoodie with the hood on, I fully expect him to be more AWARE of the situation. When I am not home, NO ONE is getting in his kennel or my house without getting bit period. That is the way he was trained, add me to the equation and he could care less who was there as long as they were petting him. Remove me or whoever he is left with(dogsitter, familky friends etc.) and expect an intruder to get bit, no matter the age. Some people here would classify that as HA and say put him to sleep...yet he is a therapy dog, loves kids and is one of the most friendly GSD people have ever met.

    I have a problem with people here jumping to killing the dog before thinking about the situations, behaviors, breed etc.

    Again, I do feel they need a trainer or behaviorist on board ASAP. It very well may be a misguided dog or a strong dog with weak owners or the dog just might be aggressive.
     
  2. _unoriginal

    _unoriginal Cow Dog

    I agree for the most part and I'm not trying to bandwagon jump with the "zomg kill the aggressive dog" but I WOULD keep the dog away from children for the time being. Get it some help with a behaviorist or trainer, someone with experience, and get the dog straightened out before someone is injured or killed. But yes, if the owners are not willing to put in the work, I'd suggest to dog be PTS. But if that's me bandwagon hopping then so be it.

    I just get real sick of people (not directed toward you) giving a dog excuses to be unstable based on one fraction of a stable dog of that breed's trait. The long and the short of it is that no one here was present. We didn't see what happened so we can only base our judgements on the way we understand the OP's posts. She needs to find someone local and knowledgeable to help out.
     
  3. VonKromeHaus

    VonKromeHaus Good Dog

    I am not giving the dog an excuse. I am just thinking about the other possibilities that could have driven this to happen!

    Anyway, get the dog to a trainer or behaviorist and go from there.
     
  4. Vader

    Vader Little Dog

    I have no experience with boxers, but this seems like a reasonable response. Without being there, I really can't call it. The trying to jump the fence when somebody walks by scenario is pretty typical of all dogs I've been around. I definitely wouldn't call that human aggression. Dogs are territorial.

    I hope everything works out. I'm dealing with something similar. I have a dog who's one of the best I've ever had. He's probably the closest I've ever had to a "best friend" in a dog. He's well bred, goofy, loving etc. But, big but here, I don't like the way he acts around kids. He's never tried to hit a kid. He's never growled or jumped on one, but I don't like the way he acts. He tenses up and wags his tail stiffly as if he's looking at prey. I'm borderline with this dog. I can manage him, but I keep asking myself if the stress is worth it. I don't allow him around kids. He's walked late at night. I haven't made a decision about him, but I'm pretty sure I'm going to end up putting this dog down. I've put dogs down before. This one's going to be tough.
     
  5. K_Hodges

    K_Hodges Little Dog

    Thank you everyone for the responses.
     
  6. chloesredboy2

    chloesredboy2 Good Dog

    This "Dog Behaviorist" nonsense is such a load of bullshit. I sometimes don't know whether to laugh or cry at the stupidity of humanity these days. It's a fucking animal,anyone who spends hundreds to thousands of dollars to have someone "explain" the behavior of a creature who has the brain capacity not quite equal to that of a two year old child,would be better off spending that money on a shrink for themselves. That,or they can send it to me and I'll tell them the meaning of life as we know it.
     
  7. Flatbedder

    Flatbedder Good Dog

    are u sure it wasn't a love or play nip. Or perhaps he just lunged to scare off what scared him? My dog once got a little riled up and did a play or love nip to a kid that he was playing with. So
     
  8. chloesredboy2

    chloesredboy2 Good Dog

    Yeah,see,no worries. The doggy was just saying "I love you"!
     
  9. K9 Love

    K9 Love Good Dog

    You keep your thoughts to yourself or some of us are out of making a living! ;)

    I'm kidding, not being sassy of course. When you deal with the general public and dogs you would cry chloe at some of the things people believe about their dogs, or do with their dogs in an effort to "train" them themselves.

    Put me in front of a car with the hood up and tell me to crack that engine open and change the piston rings and I'm sure some mechanics would cry at my attempt, and I took auto in highschool!

    Dogs are no different. Some people are less informed and less naturally inclined to do the "right" thing with their dog. There are all kinds of students that come who have never taken a class, read a book or googled anything online that just have a natural aptitude for training their dog and have done an excellent job themselves. And then you have people who even after a set of classes are a little stunned. Mocking someone for seeking out a professional to help them with a problem is a little uncalled for. Just because you don't need one, doesn't mean other people don't. Also, there are people out there in the world that want their dog to do more than pee outside and get off the couch when told. The internet is a great resource but I've yet to hear of any OtCh dogs that's trainers educated themselves solely online.

    I agree with VKH and Vader.

    My mom's rescue bit her, leaving puncture holes and bruises multiple times in the first few months she had him. The foster home he was with regularly rolled and pinned him (I witnessed it a few times he didn't even do it well, IMO there are times where a pin is necessary here and there) and his response was to bite. My mom shouldn't have a dog like this, but with some know how and a little push she handled it. He is in no way a human aggressive dog, he's just an asshole! :lol: That was over a year ago and she hasn't had any of those problems with him since doing some of the things I told her to do (she half assed it and that's why I still call the dog an asshole).

    I do think people are quick to pull the trigger on PTS, BUT, I do understand the repercussions of an owner who doesn't have the dedication, knowledge or resources to work on what could be a serious issue not doing what needs to be done, which is of course possibly a child getting bitten or anyone getting seriously injured as a result.

    It's impossible for any of us to tell you your mom's dog is past "fixing". She could be, or she could not. I will say from owning a dog that many people would call a serious liability, that managing dogs with real issues is a life long endeavor. It's not an easy task for someone who doesn't know what they're doing and in this case is likely dangerous to do alone and without the help of someone who knows what they're doing!
     
  10. AmberL

    AmberL Good Dog

    I so so agree with this......
     
  11. LilianaLove

    LilianaLove GRCH Dog

    A dog barks at an unfamiliar individual while on its own property. I don't see an issue with this. Boxers are supposed to be all-purpose working dogs- hunting, carting, guarding being their three main functions, and functions they can still do today. People forget that dogs are dogs, and resort back to instinct in times of conflict. This dog saw a strange figure entering his property and defended his property. I wouldn't not trust him with children after this. Just make sure he is able to greet them and understand who they are so that he does not feel threatened.
     
  12. _unoriginal

    _unoriginal Cow Dog

    The reason *I* would suggest a behaviorist or a qualified trainer is because we, on the Internet, really don't know what's going on and can only go off the OP's descriptions which cannot be guaranteed to be accurate no matter how much the OP tries to be objective.
     
  13. JakesMom5332

    JakesMom5332 Little Dog

    Sounds to me like your mom has some work cut out for her. As the owner of a very dominant, protective Rottie, and based on your recent post about her behavior outside when people walk by the yard, it sounds to me like this girl has made the decision that your mom is not in control of the situation, so she will be.

    I agree with everything I'm reading here, whole heartedly. If there is not a medical issue, this dog needs some very serious training. There is nothing more dangerous than a guard breed that takes it upon themselves to determine what and when to guard.

    I have no doubt that she is a lovely boxer (with her chosen people), but she needs to learn to look for guidance from your mom and her hubby. It's not her job to mark their territory because another dog was there. Nor is it her job to determine who will be accepted onto the property or in the house.

    I hope your mom can get this worked out soon, before there is an accident. There is no doubt that my girl Harley would have been exactly the same way had I not stayed on top of her training. Now at 5 years of age, she is a very social girl, but when I need her to step up to deter a bad situation, I know that she will do it. (On my command only!)
     
  14. VonKromeHaus

    VonKromeHaus Good Dog

    It is much more involved than that. I personally think this problem could be remedied with a good trainer. I find your views on this Chloe, to be sorely lacking in so many ways. It is much more in depth than just explaining behavior, it teaches owners body language, slight behaviors that could be worse etc. It doesn't cost thousands of dollars either. I used a behaviorist with Red to have an evaluation done, I just needed the evaluation as her issues were easily managed with training.

    But MY opinion is based on doing MULTIPLE dog sports and being HEAVILY involved in PERFORMANCE events, so my dogs need good training and guidance(Not a behaviorist) to do the sports we do and do them well. My dogs do not walk in a conformation ring and hit the end of the leash, they are not allowed to act like idiots in public to people or dogs and they are expected to do something to earn their meals everyday. So I will ALWAYS reccomend a trainer to people.

    I owned the best little APBT/AST ever. She was perfect to me but she had some very bad temperament issues. I never gave up on her, came close to it a few times but I stuck it out and it was the best thing I ever did.
     
  15. AmberL

    AmberL Good Dog

    how about a HUMAN behaviorist to teach those less inclined to learn on their own HOW to deal with a certain breed or species instead of an animal behaviorist....
     
  16. VonKromeHaus

    VonKromeHaus Good Dog

    That would be great! However, in the case where I used a behaviorist, I had a dog that needed an evaluation. Nothing to do with her breed or anything else, it was her TEMPERAMENT. Sometimes the word behaviorist is over used just like other things. But they can be a huge help even to people who have TONS of dog experience and are at the end of their rope.

    I think they do have their place in the dog world...BUT I had a dog that benefited from an evaluation in the fact that it saved her from being put to sleep. Just by being able to read her body language better.
     
  17. Tiffseagles

    Tiffseagles GRCH Dog Premium Member

    I think this is a great explanation.

    Perhaps I am misunderstanding, but that's exactly what an applied animal behaviorist does - they explain to the owner exactly how to address the issue which not only includes a behavior modification program but safety precautions as well.
     
  18. AmberL

    AmberL Good Dog

    All in all like Courtney said "behaviorist" is thrown around WAY too much. Dogs are no longer allowed to be dogs IMO.... we humans seem to have a need to "understand" the inner workings of a dogs brain. Maybe it is just me but it really isn't too difficult.
     
  19. VonKromeHaus

    VonKromeHaus Good Dog

    I can completely agree with that sentiment! I didn't necessarily understand the inner working of her brain, I just wanted to understand her body language better. That is what the behaviorist I saw did for me and her!

    I do think that simple dog behaviors are being dissected to a point where people make problems for themselves that aren't really problems at all!
     
  20. omgrobyn

    omgrobyn GRCH Dog

    This. Also, a lot of Boxers are very easily excited. When I was a kid, a friend coming over could easily get an accidental open panting Boxer mouth to the face when the dog would hop on them when they came in the door. They'd also get "boxed" with big Boxer paws (bad dog:lol:).

    And after reading further, you would definitely want at the least a trainer who knows Boxers.
     
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