Misunderstood Nanny Dog?

[Guy4God]

Any one red the book? It's a horrible book. It is full of things like this "I feel compelled to dispel the enduring “Nanny Dog†myth. Eventually, some pro-pit animal rights group, or Jon Stewart, or Tia Torres, is going to get sued for perpetuating this incredibly irresponsible and dangerous myth. Some person, somewhere, is going to read or hear (or for the love of God SEE on a TV show) some “expert†extolling the virtues of pit-bulls as “nanny dogs†and they are going to adopt a sweet pit bull, and that pit bull is going to maul their child, or the neighbor’s child, or someone’s grandmother. How do I know? Because it happens all the time, but no one has blamed the animal rights groups yet (although there have been a handful of recent cases of animal shelters being sued for failing to disclose a pit bull’s violent history). No one is certain where this “nanny†myth came from."

 

[robertosilva]

I have the ebook but havent read it yet, expect it to be trash to be honest.

 

[_unoriginal]

I mostly agree with the excerpt you posted, however the book appears to be pro-BSL and anti-bull breed, which I obviously wouldn't support. I hope you didn't pay for it.

 

[robertosilva]

Haha was going to say the same thing about paying for it. I took up the kindle unlimited offer free trial downloaded all the available books of interest and then cancelled. Obviously had to do some DRM software and converting but worth it.

Got gladiator dogs by Carl Semenic and some others.

 

[Guy4God]

I got it while on my free trial to kindle. What do you mean when you say you agree with it?

 

[BCdogs]

I agree with it too, despite the author's bias.

 

[_unoriginal]

I got it while on my free trial to kindle. What do you mean when you say you agree with it?

The pit bull has never been referred to as a nanny dog. It's a myth. It's just not true. The SBT was referred to as a "nursemaid dog" in a 1970s article but neither breed were ever actually used as a "nanny dog".

 

[Guy4God]

You can't think that the pit bull you get will eat your child, right? I mean if they really would do that.....why do we have and love them? Of course you don't leave your dog alone with your child, but I would supervise my 2 year old with one....Are you telling me I shouldn't? That this guy is right? I was at the understanding APBT were not people aggressive...

 

[BCdogs]

Since when does not buying into myths = believing your dog would eat a child?

 

[Guy4God]

Ok, here is another one........this one is a little scary...of course there are no details....but why would thge dogs do this? "A couple of years ago, there was a woman living in California who loved Pit Bulls, and believed whole-heartedly that the breed was misunderstood. This woman was pregnant with her first child, and she and her husband owned two rescued pit bulls, and loved them like family, fully expecting to bring up their baby to be a Pit-loving adult as well. Unfortunately, things didn*t turn out quite like they planned- “best laid plans of mice and men,”as the saying goes. On a warm August day, after sleeping and cuddling with her two cuddly Pits, one of the dogs inexplicably launched into a vicious attack. When her husband arrived home from work, he found his pregnant wife on the floor, covered in blood, and her Pit Bull, also covered in blood, standing over her. She and her unborn baby died, from massive trauma and blood loss, caused by the Pit Bull that she loved. When police arrived, the guilty Pit Bull got loose and charged the officers, prompting police to shoot the dog, killing it. Darla Napora and her husband Greg were outspoken advocates of the Pit Bull breed. Darla was a member and vocal supporter of B.A.D. R.A.P., the Bay Area Dog Lovers Responsible About Pit Bulls, an advocacy group that defends the breed, perpetuating the myth that Pit Bulls are just “misunderstood.”They posted pictures of their two beloved Pit Bulls on Facebook, and shared their experience as Pit-owners with the world."

 

[_unoriginal]

The only breed ever referred to as a "nanny dog" was a Staffordshire Bull Terrier.

Where is the oldest known reference to the SBT being some sort of nanny dog? In a New York Times article. In 1971, Walter R. Fletcher wrote an article entitled, "A Breed That Came Up the Hard Way" in which he interviewed William R. Daniels and Mrs. Lilian Rant, President and magazine editor for the Staffordshire Bull Terrier Club of America on the eve of the Staffie Bull's being granted permission to be shown in the American Kennel Club's miscellaneous class. It's the first step to AKC recognition and the club wanted to polish their dog's image.

Daniels brings up Dickens' villainous Bull's-Eye again and Mrs. Rant acknowledges that the Stafford "had an unsavory reputation for fighting and violence and his name became associated with ruffians, who cared little for him as a dog but only for his ability in the pit. The Stafford we know today quickly becomes a member of the family circle. He loves children and is often referred to as a 'nursemaid dog.'"

The TRUTH About Pit Bulls: The Nanny Dog Myth Revealed

You can't think that the pit bull you get will eat your child, right? I mean if they really would do that.....why do we have and love them? Of course you don't leave your dog alone with your child, but I would supervise my 2 year old with one....Are you telling me I shouldn't? That this guy is right? I was at the understanding APBT were not people aggressive...

That's why I said "mostly agree" because I mostly agreed with the post but there were some parts like "the dog will eat a child" that I didn't agree with.

And no, you shouldn't leave your child alone with a dog. It's fine for a child to interact safely with a dog as long as the child is being respectful toward the dog and the dog is not showing signs of discomfort around the child.

That being said, a dog can unintentionally injure a child by his sheer size so strict supervision within a close proximity is always necessary, especially when the child is a toddler or otherwise incapable of being aware of his/her surroundings.

 

[Guy4God]

"and they are going to adopt a sweet pit bull, and that pit bull is going to maul their child, or the neighbor*s child, or someone*s grandmother. How do I know? Because it happens all the time, "


That's what I wondered if you agreed with.

 

[_unoriginal]

This is where the importance of breed identification comes into play. Being that the dogs were rescued, therefore likely no pedigree or history, there is no undeniable proof that the dogs are even APBT. They could have been mixed with some other breed that is known for having HA tendencies. Or knowing that much Of a dog's behavior is genetic, no one knows what's creeping around in the dog's genetics that may pop up at any time. There's a lot of unknowns when dealing with rescued dogs. I'm in no way saying that adopting dogs is a bad idea but how did they know the dog was a pit bull? Because it looked like one? Could it have been an AmBully? Could it have been a mastiff? Could it have been a Heinz57 dog that just happened to have a blocky head and Rose ears but not have a single ounce of bull breed in him? Sure could... Because breed identification based on appearance isn't reliable at all.

And that's why we, on the forum, stress the importance of calling your dog something based only on what you know beyond any doubt. I know that my dog is very likely a bull breed. But I have no pedigree on him and I know nothing of his genetic history. So he's a mutt to me. It's all fine and good for me though.

 

[Cofla]

Following on the idea of Uno about non reliable identification of APBT in the media in general and then on bad news (dog biting somebody) they create this paranoia about pit bulls, it happens all the time around here, last summer for example one dog bit in the leg one person in a building when the dog with his owner, that lived in the place cross another tenant getting in or out (don't remember exactly) of the elevator or something like that, well in first page of a big newspaper appears a photo of the dog out of the security footage, with the caption in big letters ''THIS PIT-BULL ATTACKED A TENANT'', and goes to said that the monster weighted like 120 pounds, with that weight and with the picture I could see that it was absolutely ''NOT A PIT-BULL'', it could have had a lot of mastiff or something like that.

I really wanted to write a letter to the journalist that signed the text to educate her, finally I didn't do it because of lack of time to write a proper long letter of explanation, anyway, the damage was already done.

This is just an example, I see a lot of that.

Eddy

 

[Lillie May]

I mostly agree with the excerpt you posted, however the book appears to be pro-BSL and anti-bull breed, which I obviously wouldn't support. I hope you didn't pay for it.

"The author has never owned, nor been bitten by a pit bull." However, the author is donating 50% to "that site", per his own words. You are 100% correct the book would appear to be pro-BSL and anti-bull breed. He also says pro-pit bull advocates blame the victim. I'd invite the author to come here and ask if that's what we do. Someone please close the bag of idiots!

 

[ShanaRowan]

Unfortunately many self proclaimed "pit bull advocates" have brought on a lot of this damage themselves in my opinion. Blatantly ignoring breed history has provided pro-BSL/anti pit bull folks with all the fuel they need to "prove" that "pit bull advocates" are foolish, selfish and pretty much lie about breed history and identification to a point that it becomes dangerous and irresponsible.

It's honestly amazing, but probably more so sad, how many of these "advocates," rescues and similar types will attack anyone who tries to point out that bull breeds and pit bulls in particular don't belong at dog parks or day cares or that exhibiting any form of human aggression is usually grounds for euthanasia. To the point that the true breed fanciers who are actually preserving the real pit bull and owning them responsibly are too afraid for themselves and their dogs to speak out for fear of rabid "advocates." If only they could see beyond themselves and realize the remarkable similarities between their arguments and the arguments that get BSL passed.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[ETRaven]

This is where the importance of breed identification comes into play. Being that the dogs were rescued, therefore likely no pedigree or history, there is no undeniable proof that the dogs are even APBT. They could have been mixed with some other breed that is known for having HA tendencies. Or knowing that much Of a dog's behavior is genetic, no one knows what's creeping around in the dog's genetics that may pop up at any time. There's a lot of unknowns when dealing with rescued dogs. I'm in no way saying that adopting dogs is a bad idea but how did they know the dog was a pit bull? Because it looked like one? Could it have been an AmBully? Could it have been a mastiff? Could it have been a Heinz57 dog that just happened to have a blocky head and Rose ears but not have a single ounce of bull breed in him? Sure could... Because breed identification based on appearance isn't reliable at all.

And that's why we, on the forum, stress the importance of calling your dog something based only on what you know beyond any doubt. I know that my dog is very likely a bull breed. But I have no pedigree on him and I know nothing of his genetic history. So he's a mutt to me. It's all fine and good for me though.

DING, DING, DING, Vannah, tell the lady what's she's won!

 

[cagethedogman]

Things like that weren't in the national media when working dogs stayed in working homes. Not all APBTs will be the norm for the breed, some do develop issues that could pose a threat to the basic pet owner.
Because of fad ownership perpetuated by unscrupulous peddlers, many dogs are either 1) mislabeled and called APBTs when they are a mix of other breeds that change temperament or 2) sold to owners that should never own a dog in the first place. This is the core problem with these dogs today, they weren't meant to be kept as pets, they can be great ones but they have a drive that needs work.

Sent from my HTC Desire 626s using Tapatalk

 

[ShanaRowan]

they weren't meant to be kept as pets, they can be great ones but they have a drive that needs work.

Exactly.



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk