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Love that old school Bt!

Discussion in 'Bull Terrier' started by SamThePitbull, May 4, 2012.

  1. cliffdog

    cliffdog Good Dog

    I'd also like to mention that the whole "well I have a lean dog who is lazy and a fat dog who is active" isn't a good argument. Just as "I have a lean dog who is active and a fat dog who is lazy" is not a good argument. This deals with DRIVE, not ATHLETIC ABILITY. The dog's build has little to nothing to do with DRIVE. If you fattened up a Malinois it would still be active and if you leaned out a basset hound it would still be mellow.
     
  2. cliffdog

    cliffdog Good Dog

    If anything it makes me sad to see a fat dog who tries to be athletic and active because his owner is restricting his ability with layers of useless fat... But he still tries because he has that drive to go...
     
  3. adjecyca

    adjecyca Good Dog

    i agree and see this all the time with fat labs, still bouncing off the walls wanting to do things, but also still very fat..
     
  4. Where do I begin here........
    "just because a bull terrier is leaner and more muscular DOESNT make it more athletic"........
    ^This........I must disagree. I will speak on this quote, on dogs in GENERAL, not just BT's. Bring a "thicker built" aka heavyweight dog, and a leaner dog with less body fat mass, (yes, it is fat), out to perform ANY strenuous activity, and see which one stops first because it is so winded that it can't breathe and is about to collapse. Which do you think that would be?
    I have made myself blue in the face over the years with clients of the Veterinaty Clinic I worked for speaking on weight.
    Yes, there ARE indeed differently built dogs. There are some finer boned/framed, and some thicker boned/framed. Just because a dog is thicker framed, doesn't mean it must be tubby. No, it wouldn't look right to have a, English Bulldog per se' conditioned like a bulldog, of course not, but that doesn't mean that the dog should be fat either. It can still have a waist. I tend not to get into this conversatiom because people too often automatically get offended and refuse to consider any information given on the subject.
    Now, I work Shiner (9mths old) the same way I do my bulldog pups. So in this photo below, are you telling me he looks "anorexic"? Because he is considerably leaner than almost every 'modern' BT pup I have ever seen. But this guy is glowing, the epitomy of health, and has true endurance already for a pup his age. By endurance, I am not referring to tug of war for 10min, or running fast from the couch to the back door. I mean actual exercise. I never over do it due to his age of course, but this guy is showing alot of promise to be a very athletic critter. Now, he is 'heavier bone'....and his parents are thick heavy dogs too, but look, he can still be IN SHAPE!!
    Anorexic? I think not.
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    My American Bulldog....Beef....he weighs 95lbs...he is very heavy boned, but guess what? He has a nice tight tuck, light rib, no spine or hips show, and he is very springy for such a large dog.
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    Yes, there ARE thick bodied dogs, like pugs for instance that can't be 'lean', but they CAN be at a healthy normal weight, where they still have a waist. I HATE when people (in general) hide behind the "well he's big boned' defense when they have overweight dogs. In the end though, the dogs are the ones that suffer long term from the health problems afilliated with obesity.
    Here's a couple decent weight charts....notice how the 'ideal' dogs have stomach tucks and waists?
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    Anyhow, general weight of dogs, and how the breed has evolved from what it originated as are TWO totally different subjects. I do believe the breed has evolved into almost solely 'show ring' dogs. MOST modern day BT's could not perform the tasks (NOT speaking of dog fighting before someone inevitably mentions that silly notion) that they were used for when the breed was originally created....and how the breed standard was originally. I think they were stunning specimens. A bit leggier, longer bodied, straight long profiles......Now let me ask this....if we are SO big on "breeding to the standard", why is it that the breed's ORIGINAL standard wasn't followed??? Why such the drastic deviation??? Oh that's right, it was for looks! Am I wrong?
    Now, don't get me wrong.....I do admire a few of the specimens of today, including my dog, lol, but I will not deny that the extreme roman/surved downward/parrot headed dogs (bred for looks) have disadvantages. I even mentioned them in regards to my own dog. At least one thing that the breed has always been known for has lingered....their unmatchable personalities.
     
  5. Grabo86

    Grabo86 Puppy

    I have never seen such an amazing Bullterrier in real life! He also seems to be verry big, most Bullterriers i see are much smaller, propably mini Bullterriers.
     
  6. cliffdog

    cliffdog Good Dog

    In my opinion this is one of the best looking EBTs alive today... Along with WBT's pup!
    Does anyone know who owns this dog or how he is bred? I found the picture on my computer and I don't remember where I got it from but I would REEEEEEEEALLY be interested in owning a dog like this.
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  7. Hucklebutt

    Hucklebutt Banned Back Yard Breeder

    Justus's dog is a wonderful conditioned looking dog, because she has a lot of muscle and its define, but that white dog just doesnt look healthy to me at all just IMO.
     
  8. cliffdog

    cliffdog Good Dog

    What about him looks 'unhealthy'? Just looks like your typical huntin' dog to me.
     
  9. digs

    digs Puppy

    he's not 'thick' enough lol
     
  10. adjecyca

    adjecyca Good Dog

    maybe cause he's a little dirty?
     
  11. Hucklebutt

    Hucklebutt Banned Back Yard Breeder

    first of all i dont really like to see dogs living out on chains just a personal preference, secondly his bone structure is bigger, he doesnt look like he's meant to be that lean, therefor to me he looks way too skinny, he doesnt have define muscle he just looks like he's kept lean, perhaps the owner is trying to save money on dog food? :lol: If your going to have a dog lean, at least have define muscle like Ambra. Just my though, I think he would look better with a little more weight and muscle on him.

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  12. cliffdog

    cliffdog Good Dog

    It's sad that you think all big boned dogs need to be fat :( That dog hunts hogs. (At least I believe it was hogs... Again, I can't remember where I got the picture, but I do remember that he was on a hunter's yard, with APBTs.) He is in perfect shape.
     
  13. Hucklebutt

    Hucklebutt Banned Back Yard Breeder

    i didnt say they needed to be fat, did i? I said TO ME it doesnt look RIGHT. When a dog is built with a specific obvious frame and is shrunken down, TO ME it looks just underweight, unless it has define muscle, otherwise, that body condition is not impressive, doesnt take much to get a dog that weight just feed it less, but define muscle takes work.
     
  14. Ali132

    Ali132 Good Dog

    I have a guy on my fb (total random) that lives in a foreign country (I mention this because in some pics the dogs arent in the best conditions) but despite that he has some nice looking BT's and dogs that look like old school BT's. And he hunts hogs with them.

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    These dogs reminds me of Sam and old school bullies

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  15. cliffdog

    cliffdog Good Dog

    Wow, those are some great looking dogs!

    Hucklebutt, here's the thing... It's not really about looks, it's about function. Take two dogs of equal muscle mass but one has excess body fat, and the one with less body fat will function better.
     
  16. Muttkip

    Muttkip Good Dog

    Though all your dogs are fat now, cause you're too busy being a byb and making sure they pump out puppies and last I checked Bowser doesn't look like that anymore.
     
  17. Hucklebutt

    Hucklebutt Banned Back Yard Breeder

    i agree ali those dogs looked well conditioned to me!
     
  18. Those dogs look fantastic. That one white dog that was posted higher up.....looked JUST fine to me. He had muscle tone.....if a dog is "SKINNY"......or emaciated, usually they will have no muscle tone left.
     
  19. Hucklebutt

    Hucklebutt Banned Back Yard Breeder

    at the end of the day its all about personal preference.
     
  20. I do understand the concept of personal preference.....(as far as 'looks and function' go).....

    But as far as the weight topic goes.....I will say this again.....

    A Fat/Overweight dog is Fat/Overweight dog, which is unhealthy.
     

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