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Lionsgate Kennels?? Any thoughts??

Discussion in 'Bully Breeder Discussion' started by kharris, Sep 21, 2011.

  1. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    Don't you guys get all suspicious when you see all this what is supposed to be "important" and "knowledgeable"-sounding rhetoric plastered all over websites like that?*

    Like:

    Tyson defied the norm*

    continue the tradition of dense, shredded muscle, super clean correct form, and a drive from hell.

    *is one of the most complete females out there, and pairing her with Krush was simply stacking the genetic deck.

    I don't even have to look at pictures to know these are rank novices that are trying to LOOK like they have something unique and have gone to great lengths to get it....using all this flowery, superfluous, meaningless drivel...
    carla
     
  2. Teal

    Teal Krypto Super Dog Premium Member

    For Am Bullies, their dogs aren't too overdone.

    After reading the owner's posts in the Pit Bulls and Dog Parks thread however, I would stay FAR FAR AWAY.
     
  3. brindlexpitt

    brindlexpitt Derpidoo

    im not going to read any of that. all i can say is, not everyone is perfect (and you def aint gonna get that an the ambully world lol) hell i dissagree with some stuff dogmen do but that doesnt mean i wouldnt get a nice dog off them. so i mean, this is the first kennel ive seen that health tests so. lol
     
  4. Teal

    Teal Krypto Super Dog Premium Member



    I guess if you just buy a dog and never interact with the breeder again, then not agreeing with their fundamental view on the breed wouldn't matter. But I wouldn't want to support someone with beliefs like this breeder.
     
  5. kharris

    kharris Little Dog

    Liliana-- oh oky, sorry. LolCan someone please give me the gist of the dog park thread, primarily about what the owner or LGK said? I can't view the thread for some reason. But I've gotta agree with brindle... This is only the second kennel I have seen that health tests their dogs and the first one I found, i didn't like their dogs. I didn't know that they did in fact health test until I seen the comments in the first thread that someone posted.

    ---------- Post added at 03:03 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:01 PM ----------

    What's wrong with their views on the breed? I'm not seeing anything tat bothers me on their website other than the fact that they refer to the as APBT's... What are you referring to Teal?
     
  6. brindlexpitt

    brindlexpitt Derpidoo

    so you just never talk to anyone who you disagree with? i disagree with how a shit ton of game bred breeders keep their dogs, doesnt mean ill hate them for it, that doesnt mean theyre a bad breeder (or maybe i missed something in the dog park thread because i dont wanna real 30 pages lol) if you know of any good bully breeders, point em out, thats the point of this thread aint it? help her out.
     
  7. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

  8. Teal

    Teal Krypto Super Dog Premium Member



    Read my post - I said after reading their comments in the Pit bulls and dog parks thread that Kady posted. They believe that dogs can be 'broken' of any aggression and can be trained to get along. Which is a common belief for uneducated people, but this guy seems really arrogant about it.




    I don't have a problem with people who disagree with me, that isn't the point. I find it funny that you are arguing with me about this, when you wouldn't even READ what I am talking about - there is no reading 30 pages, Kady linked RIGHT TO this breeder's posts.

    There's a difference between not liking how someone keeps their dogs, or some of their beliefs - and having two entirely different opinions on how a breed IS. Getting a dog from a bully breeder who believes their dogs can be "broken" (that is the word this breeder uses - BROKEN) and made to get along with other dogs under any circumstances is not an area I want to delve into, regardless of how their dogs look. It just makes sense to me to get a dog from a breeder whose views you agree with. But like I said - a good relationship with their dog's breeder isn't a priority for some people, so it depends on what you want. I guess I should have made it QUITE CLEAR that I, PERSONALLY, would not get a dog from this breeder based on their views of the breed - if they have the type of dogs the OP is looking for and don't care how the breeder comes across, then there is no reason for them to not get a dog.
     
  9. brindlexpitt

    brindlexpitt Derpidoo

    im not arguing with you. i specifically kept it not against anything he said because youre right, i DONT want ot read it. kady linked to his posts, but he also said he posted 5 pages back too, and as son as i read that i said screw it, i dont have time for this. no ones going to agree with everything, and not everyone is soley like us.

    ANYWAYS THATS NOT THE POINT OF THIS THREAD. :)

    im stating help a new girl out and give her a good bully breeder. post em. cause i personally dont know of any at ALL.
     
  10. Teal

    Teal Krypto Super Dog Premium Member



    And I'm supposed to know of a good bully breeder?

    The OP asked for opinions on this kennel. I gave mine.
     
  11. kharris

    kharris Little Dog

    Teal--- this was all I seen on your post... "I guess if you just buy a dog and never interact with the breeder again, then not agreeing with their fundamental view on the breed wouldn't matter. But I wouldn't want to support someone with beliefs like this breeder."And I couldn't view the link that lady posted for some reason so I wasn't able to read any of that. Thanks for quoting what they said. And although, I don't agree with that belief of theirs either, *I* know better than that. I know that you should always expect them to be DA and all of that...please dont consider this comment rude and it totally is not intended to be but Personally I'm not looking for a breeder to become friends with, I just want a breeder that has good quality (non hippo) dogs that actually do health testing, and these were only 1 of 2 that I could find. That's why I was asking suggestions from y'all, everyone here seems very level-headed and responsible "pit" owners, so I thought it best to turn to y'all for advice since y'all have the same views as I do about the breed... For the most part anyways, I'm sure there is a few nuts here tat think "it's all in how you raise em!" but please don't argue with one another:(

    ---------- Post added at 03:30 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:29 PM ----------

    Couldn't view the link that *Kady posted... Not Lady... Stupid iPhone! Lol
     
  12. brindlexpitt

    brindlexpitt Derpidoo

    im not being specific to you. to everyone. not one person has posted a good bully breeder for her.

    You really are convinced that im arguing.. im really not. lol. lighten up teal
     
  13. monkeys23

    monkeys23 GRCH Dog

    Big ol hell no. But then I don't care for American Bullies. However if I did like them.... I would trot down to the shelter to help one out instead of going to a breeder.
     
  14. brindlexpitt

    brindlexpitt Derpidoo

    she wants to show.

    .....
     
  15. Teal

    Teal Krypto Super Dog Premium Member



    If you scroll up another two posts from mine that you quoted, is where you'll see a different post by me stating what I repeated for you. Two separate posts :)

    If you aren't looking for a breeder to be friends with, and this breeders' view of the breed won't affect your ownership of the dog - as in, he won't cause trouble for you because you won't treat your dog like he does - then there's no reason not to pursue getting a dog from him. Not everyone wants to become friends with the people they get their dogs from - there's nothing wrong with that, especially if you're just looking for a pet dog. Personally, I am friends with the breeders my dogs come from because we all participate in dog sports and attend together... but that's just how we do it! I agree that their dogs are some of the better looking Am Bullies I have seen out there, and if I was in your position I would definitely contact them about a dog!
     
  16. kady05

    kady05 Krypto Super Dog

    These are quotes from their old website, btw. They have since updated it, but it kind of shows this guys mentality (this is from the Dog Park thread):

    "PRODUCE AMERICAN PITBULL TERRRIERS THAT ARE SUPERIOR BOTH PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY. "

    "WE SPECIALIZE IN AMERICAN PITBULL TERRIERS WITH ADDED HEIGHT, SIZE, HEADS, AND MUSCLE."
    (share the wealth....all those in the veterinary field would love to know how you added extra muscles to the canine musculoskeletal system)"

    "WE BREED ALL COLORS OF PITBULLS. WHILE THE BLUE PITBULLS MAKE UP THE MAJORITY OF OUR PROGRAM, WE ALSO PRODUCE BLUE FAWNS, BLUE BRINDLES, BLUE COW-PATCH, HIGH-WHITE OR ALL WHITE, AND CHOCOLATES.
    "

    They were also charging $3,000 per pup back then, not sure if it's the same now since there's nothing on the puppy page.. but I'll be damned if I paid that much for a pup with parents that had no show record, etc.! He says he health tests, okay, where are the results on his website (other than the one dog who died)?

    Bully breeders are tough. Most DON'T health test or put any kind of titles on their dogs before they breed. For me personally, I just couldn't see buying a pup from someone like that.
     
  17. kharris

    kharris Little Dog

    Teal-- oh okay, I'm sorry, I missed that part... It would be awesome if I could develop a relationship with them, and I could still have a good friendship with someone that I didn't agree with, I would just look at it as an opportunity to educate them:)Kady--- thanks for posting that for us!! I will also ask about show lines and registries bc I want one that's properly registered also... I'm an honest person and I don't want what is clearly an ambully to be ukc registered as an apbt... That's lying and I'm deff not all about that!! It has been very tough trying to find an honest, or atleast somewhat honest bully breeder:( If anyone knows of reputable bully breeder, please let me know, health testing is absolutely necessary in my book!

    ---------- Post added at 03:52 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:50 PM ----------

    Sorry for my posts all running together, I'm on my phone and it keeps squishing them together:(
     
  18. GoingPostal

    GoingPostal Good Dog

    I can only find one dog on offa.org and no mention of any other dogs on their website being health tested? One dog died young I saw, didn't see any show or working titles so looks like a pretty average byb pumping out blue ambullies and calling them APBT, lots of pics of them jumping around for some reason, I can post pics of my blue girl jumping around too, doesn't change the fact she's now got a torn ccl. I'd want to see proof of health testing and not just on the dogs he's breeding, you want siblings, past relatives, you can have an passing score on hips or whatever on one dog and the rest of the litter riddled with issues, you need to look at the whole ped. And do they have some reason why they are producing litters other than money or to make some more blue 100 pound mutts? I don't understand why people pay good money for the same quality dogs that are filling the shelter system.

    And really?
    LGK believes that the American Pitbull Terrier is a top notch athlete, exemplary working dog, and an amazing family companion. These dogs have proven themselves in almost every canine arena available and there are few breeds that can live up to these claims. LGK also believe that there are far too many breeders producing "Pitbulls" that do not live up to any of these standards. Ask yourself this question when viewing other breeders - Are they turning this breed into something that it isn't meant to be? LGK believes in keeping the best traits of the American Pitbull Terrier alive and strong, while eliminating the unnecessary and undesirable traits that these dogs have become known for. This is why our breeding process is so strict...."

    What a load of bullshit, how are they proving their dogs, which aren't "pitbulls" (love how they can't spell the breed they think they have) are top notch athletes and working dogs? Because they run around sometimes? What traits exactly are they keeping of APBT? Because it's not size, shape, working ability or normal temperament since their dogs are supposedly dog and animal friendly. Their dogs are better looking than many Ambullies but I wouldn't give them a dime for one based on what I've seen.
     
  19. cliffdog

    cliffdog Good Dog

    It sucks that the breeders call their dogs APBTs, and it pisses me off, but where else can you find this quality of AmBully? It's a sacrifice... It's difficult to find Bullies that can be active and athletic, and who come with health testing.
     
  20. kady05

    kady05 Krypto Super Dog

    But the thing is, where are these so called health testing results? No mention of them on their website (other than the dog that died). And GP said nothing on offa.org.. so..

    Like I said earlier, Bullies are tough because most of these breeders don't health test OR title their dogs in anything (hell, I'd be happy with an OB title!) before they breed them.

    If someone came to me and told me that health testing was a big priority, I wouldn't recommend a Bully to them just based on what I've seen in the Bully community. And if LGK is really charging $3k for a pup, I couldn't FATHOM paying that for a dog with no health testing behind it, no titled parents, etc. Free, or a couple hundred bucks? Sure.
     

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