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lean athletic "long" legged sbt

Discussion in 'Staffordshire Bull Terrier' started by Kasperl, Oct 4, 2015.

  1. Kasperl

    Kasperl Puppy

    Hi!

    New to the forums, perhaps someone can help me out with this one:

    I wanna get a sbt since I think its the right dog for me- the thing is I really dont like the showtype body.
    I stumpled across some pictures of long legged, athletic SBTs (some called them irish SBTs).
    Can you guys tell me if there are SBTs with a somewhat adba apbt like look, or are these dogs apbt-crossbreeds that were given that name to make money/ prevent dangerous dog laws?

    Any help is highly appreciated.

    cheerio
     
  2. Kasperl

    Kasperl Puppy

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    Just posting to get my point across, these dogs are looking awesome. Thats why I am wondering if there are breeders out there that go for a look like this with their staffs.
    (I assume the dogs I ve posted arew all apbts)
     
  3. SevenSins

    SevenSins Forget The Dog, Beware Of Owner Staff Member Administrator Super Moderator

    Yes, there are more athletic, sport/working-type Staffs out there. It would probably help if you mentioned where you were located, and how far away you're willing to travel or ship a dog from.
     
  4. Kasperl

    Kasperl Puppy

    Roger that. I am from Austria, willing to travel europe for a decent dog. Regarding shiping I have no idea what costs I would be facing but I guess it would be a option for a good dog.
     
  5. robertosilva

    robertosilva Little Dog

    Have you posted this on the sister site Game dog. You might have more luck. Try googling working Staffordshire Bull Terriers. Sounds like temperament and drive wise you would be looking at something closer to an APBT.
     
  6. Kasperl

    Kasperl Puppy

    Hi there, I ve been posting on game dog aswell but didnt get any answer :(

    I tried all different forms of xyz+staffordshire bull terrier (working,lean,athletic,irish,terriertype....) the only breeders I came across were riskys and shakkastaff.
    Somehow hard to believe that there are only 2 breeders across europe that aim for a more athletic look.
    The thing with the apbt is that I am looking for a pet and what I ve read the sbt is easier to handle when it comes to DA and in general the sbt is better suited for a first dog (atleast thats what I ve been told)
     
  7. FetchingInTheRain

    FetchingInTheRain Little Dog Premium Member

    What exactly do you mean by easier to handle? A strong dog with strong drive with DA will take adjustment and prevention regardless of breed. I'm not sure about the better for a first time dog owner so that may be true. Have you contacted the two breeders to see the prices or shipping arrangements? Or do they have a site?
     
  8. Kasperl

    Kasperl Puppy

    From reading several forums I got the impression that the SBT, alltough it always depends on the specific dog, is characterwise easier to handle and is in general not as DA as an apbt and therefore better suited as a pet, since the apbt is/was mostly bred for working purposes till now/recent times. (could be totaly wrong with that and would be glad about every input regarding the differences of the character of the apbt and the sbt)

    The HPs ofthe breeders I came across are:
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    Havent contacted them yet because I am in no hurry and want to get as many informations as possible on the breeds and the breeders.

    I hope I brought my point across and sry for my bad english.
     
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  9. _unoriginal

    _unoriginal Cow Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

    This is my understanding of the breed as well. It's just important to note that when you're dealing with any member of the bull breed group, you may encounter some varying levels of DA. It happens and it's definitely part of the breed, even if that particular breed or those particular bloodlines have been bred away from the DA. It still happens so it's always best to be prepared and vigilant.

    IMO, the DA isn't what designates a dog to be a good pet. If your specific requirement is to have a dog friendly/dog social dog, that's one thing. I consider a good pet, in the most general sense, to be a dog that will not need the excess of exercise that an APBT often requires. Obviously personal dedication and time are also factors but the majority of pet owners don't want to spend hours daily exercising their pets. To me, DA is less of an issue... But that could be an entirely different topic :lol:

    FYI: Your English is great; don't worry about it.
     
  10. Kasperl

    Kasperl Puppy

    You made some valid points I havent thought of yet, thx for the input and the kind words.

    I am wondering if I am better of looking for a lean athletic SBT or an APBT from a line bred away from DA.
    Pretty hard to choose the right dog breed.
     
  11. SevenSins

    SevenSins Forget The Dog, Beware Of Owner Staff Member Administrator Super Moderator

    No ethical breeder out there is intentionally breeding APBTs away from DA.
     
  12. catchrcall

    catchrcall Good Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

    SevenSins, I would respectfully disagree. I know plenty that do, but there is a purpose to it.
     
  13. SevenSins

    SevenSins Forget The Dog, Beware Of Owner Staff Member Administrator Super Moderator

    And I would respectfully disagree with you. I'm all for people who hunt their dogs, but that isn't the end all be all when it comes to ethical breeding as far as I'm concerned. There isn't a single bloodline of any breed out there that doesn't have health issues and whether a dog will work or not isn't an accurate test. That's a fact.
     
  14. Kasperl

    Kasperl Puppy

    hmm help me get this straight, what has DA to do with health issues?
    Do you mean that breeders would use any dog to breed that has no DA no matter if its healthy or not?
     
  15. SevenSins

    SevenSins Forget The Dog, Beware Of Owner Staff Member Administrator Super Moderator

    DA doesn't have anything to do with health issues, I said there are no ethical breeders who are intentionally breeding out DA. In 1915, if a dog would go, the "good ol' boys" didn't know or give a shit if the dog had something genetically wrong with it. 100 years later, we know more about things like hereditary cardiac disorders, and we have ways of detecting them. Just because a dog doesn't drop dead in the woods before it's 6 years old doesn't mean there isn't anything wrong with the dog and the pups it produces won't. But most hunters still share the archaic "good ol' boy" mindset of the early 1900s.
     
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  16. "Irish Staffs" or "long legged Staffs" are indeed Staffords and not APBT's. The reason some Staffords have long legs and lean bodies and others have short legs and dumpy bodies is because "Irish Staffs" and the typical SBT were developed for different purposes but originated from the same dogs. Sort of like how show line and working line GSD's originated from the same dogs but are used for different purposes and have different body structure. Over in Ireland and NI they were used as working dogs, ratters and hunters. Because of that they kept their athletic body type while over in England they developed into a show breed, they became shorter, thicker and less athletic. "Irish" or "long legged" Staffs because of their working lineage tend to be a lot more intense and driven than show line Staffs. Quinlent and Risky's Staffords both breed the working type and they are rather beautiful animals, they have similar body types to the APBT but tend to be smaller in stature and possess a typical Stafford head shape which you can easily tell apart from an APBT head. This is just a simplified example of my understanding.
     
  17. bamaman

    bamaman Big Dog

    Saw a man lose his whole yard over a HA , Staff.Luckily his wife was home or the kid she went after would be dead.Kid would sneak in the old man's yard and throw rocks at his staffs even after several warnings.Still wound up in court and lost his hole family of staffs.Theywere very nice working staffs.I always hear people say the Staffs are easier to handle , when you deal with working dogs this just isn't always the case weather its DA or HA.Better off to look for show breeders and you prob stand a better chance of getting a dog that fits your criteria.The female staff I was speaking of earlier drug this man's wife another 50 yds still going after the kid.She was skint up from head to toe but managed to save the kid from the dog.
     

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