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Know hes a mutt but can anyone tell me from what?

Discussion in 'Dog Debates' started by joeplopez, Jun 26, 2011.

  1. Libby

    Libby GRCH Dog

    My first thought was elkhound mix, too!

    Regardless, he's really cool looking.
     
  2. Gatorpit

    Gatorpit Good Dog

  3. joeplopez

    joeplopez Puppy

    Yeah i was thinking german bred to for sure
    But his eyes are like nothing ive ever seen And hes the most strangest dog he has a wierd personality Hes SUPER DUPER hardheaded but knows how to behave when he wants haha

    I love his coat Black and grey highleted looking almost Its badass
     
  4. PitMomma24

    PitMomma24 Little Dog

    I never stated the bullenbeisser being a breed, it was a type of dog
     
  5. BILLBKLYN

    BILLBKLYN Good Dog

    It looks like a Norweigen Elkhound and generic sled dog mix to me. Alaskan Huskies have sighthound breeds, pointer breeds, and setter breeds in them for speed. In fact some of them need coats when not running as the northern winter nights are too cold for them due to a short coat.
     
  6. Sabrina

    Sabrina Moderator

    Who cares, he sounds like a nice dog. Tell your dad to take good care of him. That's all that matters.
     
  7. Lee D

    Lee D Good Dog

    beagle/ corgi....thats my guess
     
  8. brindlexpitt

    brindlexpitt Derpidoo

    a few working breeders have their own strain of heinz57.. so i dunno if id call em mutts, they all have a certain look to em
     
  9. MJJean

    MJJean GRCH Dog

    Even their own strain makes em mutts. And I am not using mutt as a term of disrespect. They are mutts who are bred to perform and they do it under harsh conditions. You gotta respect that!

    Through playing WoW I met a guy who lives in BC, Canada. Dude lives out in the wilderness. When winter hits he can't use any vehicle to get into town for supplies or medical care, so he uses a sled and dogs for those months. Without them he wouldn't survive the winter.
     
  10. Sabrina

    Sabrina Moderator

    :rofl: Does he live in an igloo, too?

    Seriously though, it's true, I live in BC too, it gets COLD up here.
     
  11. MJJean

    MJJean GRCH Dog

    He gave me the name of the nearest town, but I forgot. He said the roads aren't plowed ever, that the snow is extremely deep after a couple falls and to get into town requires a snowmobile with a sled or dogs and dogs don't break down. I LOVED that logic. Dogs don't break down. Rock on, doggies of the north!
     
  12. Sabrina

    Sabrina Moderator

    :lol: You do see a lot of sled dogs up here, even around here where the roads are plowed, I think many people do it for fun and tradition.
    Sounds like that guy probably lives up near the border toward the Yukon or the Northwest Territories.
     
  13. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    Well, sure, the original mixture was uneven, (not carefully bred to be 50/50), but it's a fairly popular theory that the APBT is a true bull and terrier, just like his relative he left behind in England, the bull and terrier that became the Staffordshire Bull Terrier.

    Actually, it is NOT even a bull terrier. Hinks STARTED with the old bull and terriers, but added in Dalmation and perhaps pointer to set the all-white coat which became so popular. He saw his creation as a "perfection" of the old, rough bull and terriers and called it "Bull Terrier". I wish he had named it after himself -- the "Hinks Terrier" *--because it certainly is not a bull terrier as the SBT and APBT are.*

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    Oh the breed is very much "American". They are simply the bull and terrier transplanted from England and they were bred HERE to be a bit larger dog than the bull and terriers that were left in England...it was AMERICA'S version of the pit dog. The breed was also bred for other jobs which required a bit larger dog for a larger, more wide-open country. For a LONG time, they were simply called "American Bull Terrier" *which I think IS the best name for them.*

    Carla
     
  14. outsider

    outsider Little Dog

    Alaskan Husky is a type of dog. It could easily become a breed in an instant if those who were breeding them decided to ONLY breed to other Alaskan Huskies and set up a registry (because they as a group breed true-to-type for performance characteristics even if they do not breed true-to-type in the realm of purely physical characteristics) however this would also prevent them from ever taking in outside animals, even if those animals were superb racers.

    It is also worth noting that the Alaskan Husky should not be considered 'the working line' of Siberian Husky (which DO have working lines and show lines) Alaskan Huskies originated form sled dog mixes and have had a heavy infusion of Pointer blood. Of course every single breed of dog has a similar story, tracing their history back to multiple breeds or types.



    As far as the original dog posted, I believe it to be a Sable aka Agouti pattern German Shepherd Dog. Sable is the term use to describe a hair that is two or more colors, generally light at the base and dark as it goes up with black at the tip. This is also often called 'wolf colored'

    The Norwegian Elkhound is found almost exclusively with Agouti coats, which is why this is probably being suggested as parentage. However, structurally the dog does not look like a Norwegian Elkhound to me.

    Regarding the Foreign Language. Germany developed some 'performance dog training' called schutzhund that involves the skills a dog would need for being a good police or military dog. It was originally created as being a way to TEST how good dogs were and help inform breeders so they could make better decisions on how their breeding programs were going. Unfortunately like so much, people have lost sight of the real reason for Schutzhund and now people breed to win championships in a game, rather than use a game to help them breed true champion dogs.

    The test has become the purpose.

    BUT I am getting off track. Most people who do schutzhund use german commands, which is probably what your dog knows.

    http://www.germandogtrainingcenter.com/schultzhund-commands.html

    Importing European dogs, especially eastern European dogs is very common in the GSD circles because the GSD show lines have been pretty much ruined as the show breeders have been selecting for a dog that has a wonderful flowing gait as it trots. The original GSD standard wanted a very efficient gait for covering ground easily and efficiently. This existed because back in the day it was common for during war you'd send communications between frontline units and the generals in back using dogs. A dog that could effortlessly cover 10 miles of war torn terrain in a short time was important. Now the show ring concentrates on a gait that looks beautiful but is not actually efficient...AND actually prevents the dog from walking or running correctly.

    Anyways to avoid all the problems with the freaky American show dog type of GSD (and honestly a growing section of the foreign show dog GSD lines) people are importing 'working' or 'sport' lines and these frequently have been raised up knowing german commands even if they come from Czechoslovakia or Poland or wherever.

    You may have inadverntantly gotten a rather valuable dog if it is a eastern European import with a rare and desirable coat color.

    ---------- Post added at 09:16 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:11 AM ----------

    That statement sells it for me. You are inadvertently describing the mindset of the Eastern European type working/sport German Shepherd Dog.
     
  15. brindlexpitt

    brindlexpitt Derpidoo

    i call my own dogs mutts. so i have nothing against it. lol. but my point is, once you have perfected a good strain of dogs that look the same/alike in charactaristic (you know what i mean) every generation, i wouldnt call them mutts anymore, but rather, their own breed, given thats how ALL breeds came about. alot of just choose not to call them abreed because they dont give a rats ass about registry. (and alot of the time i dont blame them)
     
  16. leilaquinn

    leilaquinn Good Dog

    Most people who love alaskan huskeys have no problem with them being called mutts, they are! and as someone said, other breeds still are added in so they really are still mutts, and are not at all a type of siberian huskey.
     
  17. brindlexpitt

    brindlexpitt Derpidoo

    read my first post, i never said they were anything close to a sibe, (nor would i call them that as they are nothing close to a sibe yeah?) i also didnt add that ALL the breeders have the same dogs lol
     
  18. RockerPit

    RockerPit Little Dog

    Very Nice looking Dog Here's some possible breeds.
    East Siberian Laika,Swedish Elkhound, Norwegian Elkhound, Maybe Canadian Eskimo Dog and definately Some Shepherd of some sort. he looks like a combination of Shepherd and one of these :)
     
  19. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    Well, I went with the most LIKELY choice -- German Shepherd/Nor Elk (Elkhounds are quite hard-headed). When I think of hard-headed, I think of a dog that is not very trainable....and the sport dogs certainly ARE; hounds and the Northern breeds generally are NOT. Carla

    ---------- Post added at 01:42 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:21 PM ----------

    I think it's a lot more than registry.

    The whole concept of a "breed" is based on a founding group of dogs which is isolated and then bred only among that founding group.

    The Alaskan dogs don't really fit the concept of "breed" at all, as new dogs are constantly being brought in. This provides for MUCH more genetic diversity, while at the same time optimizing performance.

    It is a concept that is being talked about more and more within "purebred" circles -- in that more are thinking that maybe this is how dogs really SHOULD be bred, in contrast to the genetic bottlenecks and exaggeration that is GOING to happen within closed breeding populations. A start being talked about among some purebred fanciers is opening up the stud books to outside dogs or even different "breeds" to correct serious genetic problems within a breed. The Dalmation story is one such success story...where a *Pointer was crossed with a Dalmation to introduce a normal set of genes for a serious urinary problem just about every Dal had. Then there was crossing back to Dals for several generations until you could not tell the "cross-bred" Dals from "pure" Dals, and the normal set of genes was passed on. *I believe, after much controversy, that these dogs are now being allowed registration as Dals.*

    This makes perfect sense to me. The whole notion of "purebred" is relatively new and so un-natural when you think about it. I know I've seen many mixed-breeds that were absolutely beautiful dogs! Breeding for "type" seems to me to be much more sensible and better for the DOG when you think about what the whole notion of "purebred" has done and is doing to dogs.*

    Another example that comes to mind for my own breed (Am Stafs) is opening the stud books back up to American Pit Bull Terriers. This was done last in the 60s but I am afraid would be very hard politically to achieve today. Selecting the right dogs could help "freshen up" the gene pool and add some features which Am Stafs are losing. And you would not even be able to tell you had a "mixed-breed" even in the first cross -- but you would have that valuable genetic diversity to work with.*

    Carla
     
  20. outsider

    outsider Little Dog

    I disagree.

    We are used to the American Kennel Club standard of 'breed' which involves a closed stud book (i.e. no unregistered animals are ever allowed to mix in) and honestly that is a very unhealthy example to follow.

    I much prefer the more agricultural method where if something is 7/8ths purebred then it is considered purebred. Take cattle for instance. Say you have a hodge-podge mix of whatever cattle, a herd of 100 animals., who knows what went into them. You buy a purebred "A" bull because you want the great traits of that breed. You cross the bull with your 'unknown' cattle. You keep the females who are 1/2 breed A for two mating seasons. You now have 100 1/2 A females. You buy a different bull of that same breed and cross him with your females. The results are 3/4th A, and you keep them. Once more you buy a new bull and the crossing and you have from them are 7/8ths A offspring, which is considered enough to call them purebred A.

    The key is honesty about what goes in them and documentation of your breeding program.


    I don't know for sure but I strongly suggest this is the type of breeding that goes on in with the Alaskan Husky program. They rightly recognize that if you cross a random nordic mutt with the best performing sled dog ever chances are you'll get some stellar offspring, but crossing two nordic dogs 'with papers' just because they have 'papers' you could and often do just get poor performing dogs.

    While the Alaskan Husky hasn't ever set out to become a breed, I think the term breed is broad enough to fit them.
     

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