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It's not how they're raised; it's how they're managed

Discussion in 'Training & Behavior' started by Beret, Nov 23, 2012.

  1. marny

    marny Puppy

    My 2 year old is what i wojld call skittery and reactive. I train scent hounds for our govt departments so im not completely dog ignorant. I walk and run her for 1 to 2 hours a day through our local forest beach researve she is off lead with other dogs and people for alot of this time...she has responed beautifuly to good verbal control i have nk fears for her i this envirommrnt.yet people in hi vis clothing, people climbing out of trucks, operating lawn mowers or chain saws, children on swings all equal the end of the world (and we find more to add to the list everyday) i work on the exposing her as much as possible and give her calm support but honestly im thinking of talking to the vet now too. Her mother was a bit of a cot case too and realise now i made the mistake of assuming (the mother) was badly socialised.

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  2. marny

    marny Puppy

    I love her a lot though please dont doubt it!

    nz
     
  3. Cian

    Cian Little Dog

    I agree and disagree with this. Yes, I definitely agree that it is genetics AND nurturing. And, you set your dog up for success - and whether or not your dog is a menace to others is absolutely how they are managed.

    But, for example, my last dog I adopted at 2 years old. The original blog post stated that shelters never put up dogs for adoption who are from abuse situations - they have obviously never been to overcrowded and underfunded city shelters (or rural shelters for that matter). Anyway, my last dog -Otis- was from an abuse situation. He'd been brought in by the police because his previous owner had been arrested. He was over 20 lbs underweight (he was 29 lbs when I got him; healthy - he weighed 55 lbs). He flinched and cowered at scolding or raised hands (even if you were just gesturing and it wasn't in anyway directed at him) - so lots and lots of positive reinforcement. He was extremely reactive to men (which I didn't know until after I brought him home).

    Some
    dogs do get over it and are perfectly fine adults. Some do not. Maybe that's part genetic, and part abuse. Regardless, for Otis, setting him up for success meant intensive behaviour training, not taking him ANYWHERE public - I walked him on a leash at night or on leash in secluded areas of the metropark. He was with me for 12 years (he died at 14), and in all that time, he never once bit anyone - but I was constantly on guard that he had the potential to react to a man and had to alter how we lived because of it. At least it was predictable and therefore manageable.

    Don't get me wrong, I adored Otis. He was my heart dog, and I miss him terribly.

    However, when I decided to get another dog, I opted for a puppy. I wanted to have some control over his rearing and socialisation. I realize that doesn't guarantee a stable dog - but it does increase the chances that they won't have behavior problems. Luckily, Cian has turned out beautifully. All the things I couldn't do with Otis, like walk down a busy street without fear of him reacting to someone, I can do with Cian. I don't think that makes me a bad person or buying into myths about "It's all nurture" as this blogger seemed to imply. I just wanted to have the best opportunity for a stable dog that I could, because I wanted a dog that would fit better into my more outgoing and social life.

    That said, a lot can be determined from temperament tests in shelters, and I'm all for people adopting adult dogs - so many need good homes.

    And for the record, I read the link in the blog about the seriously unstable St. Bernard. . . IMHO, that dog should probably be PTS. A 100 and something pound, unpredictably aggressive dog sure as hell sounds like a dog attack waiting to happen to me.
     
  4. Tiffseagles

    Tiffseagles GRCH Dog Premium Member

    Just FYI - the blog post didn't say victims of cruelty/neglect don't put up for adoption. It said that the thought "It's all in how you raise them" leads some (twas implied not said out right) organizations to not want to put those dogs up for adoption as an example of how that logic hurts rather than helps dogs (for example, the HSUS protested placed the dogs from the Michael Vick bust in homes using this logic - they wanted them all euthanized).
     
  5. cypress

    cypress Puppy

    great post.........all bully owners would be well advised to read this
     
  6. LilSkarDawg

    LilSkarDawg Puppy

    Yes this is true I have rambuncious boy 2 and 1 yrs of age and my pitbull loves them both to death even though they climb n jump all over her and she has not 1nc flinched toward them

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  7. _unoriginal

    _unoriginal Cow Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

    You need to teach your children to respect dogs by not climbing and jumping on them. She may be showing other signs of discomfort like panting or averting her eyes that owners either don't realize are happening or blatantly ignore. You are, unfortunately, setting your dog up for failure and children up to be bitten by allowing them to act inappropriately with the dog.
     
  8. LilSkarDawg

    LilSkarDawg Puppy

    Yes I know... I don't allow it, I don't encourage it I'm just saying that when they do she does not have any agression towards them...... but I do have a question I need help with. Would you mind trying to answer

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  9. _unoriginal

    _unoriginal Cow Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

    If you have a question, you should start your own thread. Otherwise you can PM me and I'll try to help.
     
  10. LilSkarDawg

    LilSkarDawg Puppy

    I don't know how to start my own thread....

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  11. _unoriginal

    _unoriginal Cow Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

    Go to whatever section you want to start a thread in and click new thread. The button is toward top left.

    From tapatalk:
    Go to proper section. Click ... On top right

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  12. Lab mama

    Lab mama Puppy

    Great info! Helps me a lot!
     
  13. LoveMyPuppy

    LoveMyPuppy Puppy

    Thanks for sharing this. My cousin adopted a pit bull mastiff mix that was actually meant to be a fighting dog. This dog was horribly abused before she found him. When the dog's previous owner realized the dog wasn't a good fighting dog he used it as a bait dog (that's what the vet said based on his cuts on his hind legs). She found him tied up on a very short leash scared to death. That man was just horrible to this poor dog. My cousin has had the dog for 3 years and you would never meet a sweeter dog. He's a great big teddy bear. Good with kids and other animals. I can't believe how sweet and trusting this dog is after having such a horrible beginning to his life. He has a very loving home now and doesn't need to worry about being abused ever again.
     
  14. raidin'sdad

    raidin'sdad Puppy

    Our boy raidin is very obedient and very nice we don't cage him up when we leave n he doesn't tear anything up that's not his n he doesnt bark at people walking by its not the breed of dog its how you train them n care for them that makes good or bad as with any dog

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  15. Cosmic Charlie

    Cosmic Charlie Good Dog

    You apparently didn't read a thing in this thread. Your wrong, plain and simple. Bull dogs are genetically predisposed to being dog aggressive. That doesn't mean every bull dog will be dog aggressive, but many bull dogs are at least selectively DA some point in their lifetime.
     
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  16. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

    I will disagree with you. There are certain genetic traits that no amount of training will un-do.
     
  17. karinka

    karinka Puppy

    I also disagree

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  18. WithHope

    WithHope Big Dog

    This thread was created so people like me who've had to make the tough call because of knowledge don't have to get raging pissed reading furmommy comments implying we just didn't try hard enough. How about before you comment on a thread, you read the opening first? If you read it and still made that comment, then my question would be why are you here? If it's not to actually learn anything, then move along. If you'd like to learn, stick around, read, and ask questions. Your example of your one cold dog by far does not change the fact that it is NOT all in how they're raised. It IS in how they're bred and managed. Learn the difference.
     
  19. Rezbull

    Rezbull Puppy

    If only this information was observed by the many BBMnd shared as informative truth, being that the Bull family tends to be misunderstood all too often by both the pro pit bull and its anti side.

    Very few people with the common BBM know either of their dogs history, let alone it's genetic basis. I wonder how many people fail to understand the reality of nature and nursing with the BullDog regardless of the pedigree or lack of. There's no enigma, and no misunderstanding by those of us fully aware of the BullDogs genetic potential.

    I'm overwhelming tired of the people in the spotlight telling us through the media that they just can't fathom the idea of their sweet dog attacking and killing even though it did exactly so. The signature was present, but surely nobody reads or sees it until it's too late, but every time blames placed on the breed and not these carefree owners ..


    Watching the trends and witnessing the times we're in gives credibility to the continued difference observed in the massive Bull gene pool shaped in the past few decades. Sadly most people don't realize that even in say the spaniel one can find a whole different brood dependent on geographical differences which coordinate with different bloodlines. In our case, regardless of their blood, an ounce of prevention outweighs even the largest Bull.

    Another thing I oftentimes feel is forgotten, this is the dark side of nursing. It's our responsibility to cull any and all dogs which display true human aggression due to wiring. Sadly this is a focal point of the many pathetic backyard ghetto breeders.
     
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