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It Could Soon Be Illegal To Chain/Tether A Dog In Fort Worth

Discussion in 'Breed Specific Legislation' started by Vicki, Jan 15, 2008.

  1. MyaMayhem

    MyaMayhem Puppy

    Exactly. They are like cows to people, but at least most livestock are allowed to roam around inside of a fence. I'm not saying build a super high fence to contain them. I, as well as many others, have no problem with people chaining their dogs outdoors while they're out there with them. There is absolutely no reason to even own a dog if you cannot train them to behaive properly inside of a house. How can an animal be a good example for it's breed when it cannot even be inside of a home? And as for the other example someone came up with, that people's main cause of fear is a large, scary, vicious dog charging a fence, I'm positive that most people would rather have a dog coming at them behind a locked fence than one that has somehow came loose from it's chain and rushed after them. Even if it is the most friendly dog on this earth, that's a scary situation.
  2. Miakoda

    Miakoda GRCH Dog

    Dogs are dogs. They think and they rationalize like dogs. Even the most well-trained dog is going to chew up something now and then, raid the garbage now and then, etc. It's what they do.

    And what about people with 2 or more dogs? Are we supposed to be able to train them so well that they can be left alone together for 8+ hours at a time without getting into any squabbles? You think allowing 5 dogs, bully breed dogs that tend to be dog aggressive no less, to roam the house while one is gone all day is truly the responsible and humane thing to do?

    Since you are so against chaining/tethering, what about kennels? Are those little kennels humane enough to leave a dog in 8+ hours a day? Is that ok but chains/tethers are not?

    Responsibility doesn't come in just one air-conditioned form.
  3. CoolHandJean

    CoolHandJean Krypto Super Dog

    Reasons why I personally choose to chain my dogs:
    1) Why not a kennel/pen outside? They would easily get out of a kennel/pen, plus a kennel wouldn't provide the same space as the chain does. I'd also rather have them have a clear view then view life through a fence.

    2) They are a bit dog aggressive, and while they all tend to get along with each other, I wouldn't take the chance of just letting them all roam the house together.

    3) While I understand why some people have to kennel their dogs inside (i.e. highly populated areas were a dog getting stolen is common), I personally would feel bad about making my dog stay in a tiny kennel inside the house, where they don't get sunlight or have the freedom to use the bathroom anytime they wish.

    4) Since they are dog aggressive, it would be irresponsible and rude, if I just let them roam the neighborhood.

    5) I can't afford to fence in my whole property, and even if I could, I would be leary about letting all six dogs run free together, and definitely wouldn't let them if I wasn't around, because I'd be afraid a fight would break out, or they would get over the fence.

    Two of the dogs are house dogs, but if we are going out, they go out on their chain spots, Or if I am going to be home all day, then I'll let them enjoy the outdoors, while I'd getting things done inside.

    Sometimes the outdoor dogs get to come inside for a little bit while I'd getting things done. However, I have one dog that absolutely hates being inside, and always has.
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  4. MyaMayhem

    MyaMayhem Puppy

    Thank you for answering, I've never had a person actually explain their motives to me. I don't particularly agree with any of your reasons, but I respect you for actually stating them.
  5. MyaMayhem

    MyaMayhem Puppy

    A person simply shouldn't take on dogs they cannot handle. Why have five dog agressive dogs in the first place? Dogs will be dogs, and if someone knew that pit bulls tend to be this way to begin with, why would someone take on so many dogs?
  6. CoolHandJean

    CoolHandJean Krypto Super Dog

    Do you disagree with all of my reasons, or just some of them? If all of them, then read my questions below.

    I sure hope you would agree with at least number 4, if not any of the others. Plus you don't agree with the first one, you believe a dog gets more space in a pen, or am I misunderstanding you? Also, number five, say I did put up a fence, would you think it would be okay for me to let all six of my dogs run free together even if I weren't around? Finally, number 3, explain to me how a tiny kennel for hours on end isn't cruel compared to a chain that gives them plenty of space and freedom?
  7. simms

    simms Good Dog

    So it is the perception that bothers you. Never mind that some of these animals are safer contained on a tether. A dog that is tethered or behind a fence will display the same behaviour. That theory and mind set that your pushing is false! Not only is it misleading information, it endangers these communities affected by the anti tehter ordinance.

    Apparently you are not up to date on what FW would like to propose to the council this year. It is a dangerous dog law ( deeming a dog dangerous)

    You say that there is absolutely no reason to own a dog if they dont meet your gold standard as what deems them responsible. That's not realistic for the population nor this breed.
  8. simms

    simms Good Dog

    Why do you ask why? when" why shouldn't they" realy be the question...these aint poodles and even poodles will scrap amoungst each other and bite ppl.
  9. Miakoda

    Miakoda GRCH Dog

    As a vet tech, I can tell you that the #1 reason for trauma that we see is dog fights. And thanks to most 'pit bull' owners being responsible in their confinement of their dogs, the vast majority of dogs we see are of other breeds and mix of breeds.

    I don't know about you, but I don't think it's ok to sacrifice the lives of dogs just so I can say "they all sleep on my comfy sofa just waiting for me to get home" when in fact a fight has broken out and 2 of your Yorkies just killed the 3rd one. Or your Labrador Retriever killed your Chihuahua. Or your Collie just killed your Dachshund. These were all cases that I personally handled and if you've ever tried to shove a Chihuahua's entire intestines back inside his mangled abdomen and fix a punctured lung, then you would know and understand where I come from when I say that PREVENTION is the way to go.

    And I'm guessing you have only one dog? Seeing as how a responsible person would only own a single dog, especially a dog aggressive one. :no2:

    In the meantime, I will kindly ask you to refrain from making assumptions about my poor mistreated, abused, and neglected doggies. Your giving them a complex. Now they are going to wonder where their personalized ceramic water bowls are and their embroidered $100 leather collars and sheepskin dog beds are.
  10. Miakoda

    Miakoda GRCH Dog

    And who's to say I cannot handle them? Do you know me and my dogs? Or are you just making rash assumptions?
  11. mriggs

    mriggs Little Dog

    Ok this is just wild to me. Some dogs prefer to be outside, its a persons right to have an inside or outside dog, whichever they choose. Maybe a person doesnt like dog hair all over the house,therefore would rather have the dog outside. that doesnt mean they dont take care of it, feed,water,play or let it loose now and then. Above all, where did dogs like all other animals come from? OUTSIDE
  12. chloesredboy2

    chloesredboy2 Good Dog

    The motives for chaining dogs are simple,to safely contain them.There is nothing that needs explaining.Its fine for you to have your own opinion on the subject ,but to imply that those who dont share your opinion are irresponsible owners who shouldnt even have dogs is WAY out of line.
  13. chloesredboy2

    chloesredboy2 Good Dog

    I see what your thinking here,often times people do just get a dog,play with it while its cute and little then throw it in the backyard when it becomes too much work And the poor dog becomes lucky to manage a lick to its owners hand while being fed.That is complete BS,but it happens with dogs who arent tethered ,who are thrown in a pen or even just a fenced yard too.Also dogs are not allways considered companions.Some people have dogs for working purposes.Just because they dont have a couch and climate control doesnt mean they arent taken care of.Lots of dogs are actually happier and more behaved when they have a job to do.
  14. MyaMayhem

    MyaMayhem Puppy

    I am stating my opinions. A person who chains their dogs up outside, in my opinion, shouldn't have them. There is absolutely no point in having an animal if it's going to be tied up out doors.

    For the people who say their dogs love it outside, and would rather be outdoors tied to a chain that inside, I believe you. Some dogs are just naturally drawn to being outside. Do I think that, if raised from puppyhood and cared for inside they would behave the same, no. And about the dog hair? Why own a dog if you're afraid of being covered in their fur?

    For everyone saying that chaining is the only safe way to contain their dogs, I very much think the opposite. Even if you cannot afford a fence, what's so wrong with cableing it outside while you out there with it?

    For the person who said dogs were "meant to be outside, that's where they came from." If you're saying that their ancesters, the fighting dogs were raised out of doors I suppose I can believe that. But everyone on here is against that, or at least I would hope so, and would agree with me that they're trying to get as far removed from that as possible. Those breeders didn't care about the welfare of their dogs, and I assume everyone that belongs to this forum does care greatly for theirs. If you're talking about the wolf, these dogs are so far evoved from them, do you really think that if your dog got loose that it would pair up with ten other pit bulls and go take down a caribu?

    And about the dog agressive thing I said. I didn't mean to say you don't love all of your animals, I'm sure you do. I'm just saying that if you knew from the beginning that some of your dogs would rather not be around other animals of it's own spiecies, why get more animals?
  15. chloesredboy2

    chloesredboy2 Good Dog

    I'm glad you THINK you know enough about everyones situation to know whats right for them and their pets.It isnt a matter of being able to afford a fence,Alot of dogs find a way out of the fence.
  16. MyaMayhem

    MyaMayhem Puppy

    And that is exactly why I'm against leaving a dog outside without supervision AT ALL. I never said I knew anything at all about any particular person's situation. I'm just stating my OPINION. I'm not saying go out and spend thousands on a fence. I'm saying that I don't care for any person tying a dog outside.
  17. mriggs

    mriggs Little Dog

    the point being you THINK to much. and contradicted yourself several times. "For the people who say their dogs love it outside, and would rather be outdoors tied to a chain that inside, I believe you. Some dogs are just naturally drawn to being outside"

    how do you kno who those people are? you dont. your jus automatically assuming that if a dog is outside its mistreated.

    "Why own a dog if you're afraid of being covered in their fur?"

    To some people dog hair is a pet peeve. are you saying jus becuase these people dont like dog hair there not allowed to own a dog? This is a free country. as long as they are feeding,watering, exercising and not doing anything illegal who gives a sh*t?

    "For everyone saying that chaining is the only safe way to contain their dogs, I very much think the opposite. Even if you cannot afford a fence, what's so wrong with cableing it outside while you out there with it?"

    Not everyone thinks the way you do, this gets into a free country thing again. whats wrong with cabling outside while your out thre with it? people have things to do from time to time, so whats so wrong with tieing it up outside while getting things done?

    "And that is exactly why I'm against leaving a dog outside without supervision AT ALL. I never said I knew anything at all about any particular person's situation. I'm just stating my OPINION. I'm not saying go out and spend thousands on a fence. I'm saying that I don't care for any person tying a dog outside."

    Your just stating your opinion thats cool, you have a right to do that. You dont have the right however to critisize people for doing so.
  18. Miakoda

    Miakoda GRCH Dog

    No one here is blasting anyone for their opinion. But when an "opinion" is a unsubstantiated judgement against a particular member, then you can expect a response.

    I will never let someone else speak for me or my dogs. Ever.
  19. mriggs

    mriggs Little Dog

    critisize people for how they take care of their dog*
  20. CoolHandJean

    CoolHandJean Krypto Super Dog

    I agree with Mia on this one. I know that my dogs are well cared for, loved, and exercised. I don't need someone who has never met my dogs telling me how poorly they are treated, because my containment method is different than their ideal form of containment.

    Plus the start of the thread wasn't "what's your opinion on chaining", the start of the thread is "Making chaining/tethering illegal". Like I said before, if someone doesn't agree with chaining their dog, then don't chain your dog, but when it comes down to a law, I feel it's quite wrong to project those opinions and feelings out on everyone, and force everyone to conform to those feelings/opinions, not facts.

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