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Is the Ky allele in Wirehaired Pointing Griffons evidence of cross-breeding?

Discussion in 'General Dog Discussions' started by Institute of Canine Biology, Nov 23, 2018.

  1. By Carol Beuchat
    Is the Ky allele in Wirehaired Pointing Griffons evidence of cross-breeding?

    This has apparently been a burning question in the Griff community for several years and the cause of rifts among lovers of the breeds on various sides of the argument.

    In short, every now and then somebody produces a Griff puppy with tan points resulting from Ky. This has been taken by some to be evidence of a deliberate or accidental cross-breeding in the past, and that the dogs carrying this allele are thus not "pure" WPGs and should not be allowed to breed.

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    The first point here is that there is no way to know what specific genes were present in the founder lines more than a century ago. Each dog added to the mix would add another spoonful of genes from the large, diverse genetic stew available among dogs at that time. Certainly, it is fair to expect that the original gene pool was very diverse.

    Could the Ky allele have been present in that original gene pool? That would depend on how common it was and how it was distributed among dogs, recognized breed or otherwise.

    Eduard Korthals developed the breed in the Netherlands in the late 1800s, with the aim of producing a gun dog that was versatile, hardy, and devoted to its master. To do this he crossed a variety of dogs, some of unknown lineage but carrying some of the traits he wished to produce in the breed. Among those of a type were probably spaniels, retrievers, pointers, and otterhounds. The breed was created as many others have been, as "blender breeds" that borrowed a bit of this from one breed and a bit of that from another to produce a new breed of dog well-suited to a particular purpose in the eyes of its creator.

    So here are the crucial bits of information for this discussion of the Ky allele as evidence of genetic contamination.

    1) The Ky allele is the ancestral form of the K allele. It is found in all wolves.

    2) How common is the Ky allele in dogs? To answer this question, I contacted two highly-regarded canine geneticists with access to large databases of dog DNA data, including alleles for color: Dr Adam Boyko (Cornell University and Embark Vet) and Dr Jonas Donner (Genoscoper and MyDogDNA). They both confirmed first that the Ky allele is the ancestral K allele that is found in wolves. They also both said that the Ky allele is very widespread among breeds and dogs in general. Boyko said "I think it's in more breeds than not...even some black breeds like Schipperke and Belgian Sheepdog." Donner said that "Ky/Ky is the fixed genotype in the modern wolves we have tested, so yes it is the ancestral allele...The frequency of the ky allele in dogs overall is about 70%".

    Not only is the presence of the Ky allele not evidence of a cross-breeding event, it would be surprising to NOT find it in a modern dog breed created by crossing various breeds as well as dogs of ambiguous lineage. Ky is recessive to other K alleles, so it can be present in a population for many generations without being expressed. Having a few tan point dogs pop up in a long line of dogs where this has never been seen is proof of nothing more than the roles of chance and allele frequency in the expression of recessive alleles.

    There is no scientific or even rational basis for the claim that Griffs carrying the Ky allele are not "purebred" or "true" Korthals. The policy of some groups to purge all the "contaminated" dogs carrying the Ky allele from breeding populations is both wrong-headed and detrimental to the breed because it reduces the size of an already limited gene pool and unnecessarily removes quality dogs for a cosmetic trait that might not even be expressed if a dog is just a carrier. Those claiming that the "pure" or "true" Korthals does not carry this gene and that dogs that do are "just mutts" do a true disservice to the breed for the apparent purpose of elevating their own dogs to a higher status than others. This is not to better the breed, and it doesn't. It is nothing less than a shameless scam.

    The data to disprove the fallacy of the claim that dogs carrying the Ky allele are descendants of cross-breeding are abundant and readily-available. There is no evidence that it is associated with any detrimental or undesirable trait in this breed (which has also been claimed) or any other. Remember: this is the K allele found in wolves. In fact, the K allele is not a "color allele". The K gene is otherwise known as the β-defensin gene, and as the name implies it plays a role in the synthesis of peptides with antimicrobial activity in the skin, assisting in its role as a barrier to infection. (Candile et al 2007, Leonard et al 2012).

    While breeders are struggling to managing a number of emerging health issues in this wonderful breed, it should be a matter of policy that the loss of genetic diversity for any reason should be minimized to the fullest extent possible. A genetic management plan that strategically prioritizes retaining genetic diversity through the breeding of dogs carrying less common alleles should be encouraged by the custodians of the breeds, and breeders that do this should be encouraged and supported.

    There are some other important things breeders can do to improve the future of this breed. It would be useful to do a breed-wide survey of genetic diversity using a genotyping service like Embark. This will provide information on both breed-wide and genomic inbreeding, the size of the gene pool, distribution and frequency of alleles for known mutations and traits (including color), and the potential presence of lineages of differing genetic composition that can be managed in a way to support retention of the genetic diversity currently available in the breed. These data can produce much information that would assist breeders interested in developing breeding plans that will improve the health of the breed as well as its highly valued qualities as a working dog and a companion. You can see examples of these types of analyses for a number of breeds using the ICB Breeder Tool at http://bit.ly/2OE88by, and ICB can assist you with this.

    It would also be extremely useful to do a genetic analysis of a pedigree database. This will provide wealth of information about history that might not otherwise be known through other records. It can also reveal current breeding practices that are detrimental to the preservation of genetic diversity, allowing breeders to take steps that will provide more genetic stability and facilitate management of existing health issues. You can see an example of this type of analysis here (The amazing secrets hiding in your pedigree database). This analysis is for Afghan hounds, but it provides a good model of the wealth of information that can (and should) be extracted from a pedigree database with the appropriate software and expertise. ICB can provide this type of analysis, and it would be very worthwhile to do for this breed.
    I have been asked to weigh in on the "Ky debate" many times over the last 10 years or so, and I hope this will put the final nail in the coffin of this debacle that has probably done great damage to the gene pool and therefore the future of the breed. Breeders should consult with scientists that have the appropriate expertise to address critical issues of genetic management instead of trying to do this "in house". There is first the issue of bias interfering with judgement, in the same way that a surgeon should not operate on a member of their own family. But most especially, genetic management of small populations of highly inbred dogs is very difficult; a policy decision to address one problem can have an unanticipated effect on something that was not considered. Here, what appeared to be a simple policy decision about a "color" allele probably did lasting damage to an already small gene pool; certainly it strained relationships among breeders and has fostered the development of cliques that have divided what should be a family of breeders that collectively support the best interests of the breed. I would encourage breeders to heal the wounds, get some factual information about the current genetic status of the breed, and work together to solve problems and insure a bright future for the breed.
    REFERENCES

    Cadille SI, CB, Kaelin, BM Cattanach and others. 2007. A β-defensin mutation causes black coat color in Domestic dogs. Science 318: 1418-1423.

    Hedrick PW. Wolf of a different color. Heredity8 103: 435-436.


    Leonard, B. C., Marks, S. L., Outerbridge, C. A., Affolter, V. K., Kananurak, A., Young, A., ... Bevins, C. L. (2012). Activity, expression and genetic variation of canine β-defensin 103: A multifunctional antimicrobial peptide in the skin of domestic dogs. Journal of Innate Immunity, 4(3), 248-259. https://doi.org/10.1159/000334566

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  2. PITPAL

    PITPAL Puppy

    I love posts like this one. After reading I kinda went crazy researching , as I had vaguely remembered a co-workers father that introduced me to waterfall hunting years ago having a griffon. He made a comment once that his old dog would be his last, as he didn’t have confidence in the breeders he knew to assure they were producing pure animals. I didn’t ask and he said nothing more but it makes sense this was an issue or a suspected problem with the breed at least a dozen years ago.
    From a genetics standpoint, I must disagree that the phenotype could stay hidden all those years and for thousands of litters only to start springing up In conjunction with other odd-ball characteristics. I’m not going to pretend I am knowledgeable on this topic as I have just began to learn about it, but alleles can hideout for a long time and never be expressed. That I am sure. What troubles me is that the Ky would have to carry with it genotipic Instruction for so many other phenotipic traits that are not if the breed standard. I hope they are able to put back together the breed and maintain a very special gundog.
     
  3. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    The article stated: "There is no evidence that it is associated with any detrimental or undesirable trait in this breed (which has also been claimed) or any other."

    I wouldn't worry about purging anything that just happened to be a carrier or even have it expressed. Diversity would suffer a lot more if you did that. Color is cosmetic and in a true working dog, it should not be that big of a concern if the working ability is there. The whole notion of "purebred" is a man-made concept that is proving to be damaging to many breeds.
    If this kind of thing interests you, this article is a good place to start. Jeffrey Bragg got this whole discussion going about 20 years ago with this article. Lengthy and covers a lot of ground, but one of the most interesting discussions of "breed" and diversity I've ever read.
    http://www.seppalakennels.com/html-documents/pbdb21c.htm
     

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