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Is my pup a Pitbull ?

Discussion in 'Pit Bull Puppy Discussions' started by Shane780, Aug 28, 2016.

  1. pitbulldogs

    pitbulldogs OHMUHGERD Staff Member Administrator

    I honestly don't know of a real APBT breeder who would say that.

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  2. pitbulldogs

    pitbulldogs OHMUHGERD Staff Member Administrator

    You just never really know what or who you are dealing with. I did enough research beforehand to know that if someone starts throwing nose colors around then i should prob look elsewhere. Unless looking for OFRN's.. Which i didn't even know about for almost 2 years lol..

    I consider myself lucky and blessed to have met the people i met and deal with. One has become a mentor which i am extremely grateful for.
     
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  3. Shane780

    Shane780 Puppy

    Well, the people I was introduced simply called them Bulldogs. The term Pitbull was just a name to them. I'm guessing that they used these terms for my sake. What I liked about the person I got my dog from was. 1. Didn't seem to care if I bought one of his dogs. 2. He spoke positively about the other people he knew. 3. His yard was clean. Very clean. 4. My wife asked if we could take the dog home at 5 weeks when we saw her, and he flatly refused. (She does not know much about looking after animals). So if this person just wanted my cash, why would they take there time and effort to look after a pup for a few more weeks ?
     
  4. pitbulldogs

    pitbulldogs OHMUHGERD Staff Member Administrator

    Every game dog breeder ive ever met calls them bulldogs, in fact ive not heard the term bulldog used in my area but one time and that was from a guy who seen my dogs at Rural King. We had a 10 minute convo about game dogs and come to find out, he actually has some but that don't mean your dog is a bulldog. I will say the whole nose color thing is a red flag for me though. If you just plan on working the dog, then work and enjoy him!

    I say we move on from is your dog a real bulldog or not and try and get you ready to keep him.

    PS: If he really is a gamebred bulldog? You better start working with him now, i don't know how you plan to keep the dog or if you have experience with them already but gamedogs aren't your average run of the mill dogs. They need a lot of exercise, both mentally and physically on top of having a very responsible owner. Not to mention they love having jobs or things to do.. Right now is the most important time with your pup.

    Keep us posted on his progress!
     
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  5. Lillie May

    Lillie May Good Dog

    Exactly! The term is what their breeder told them, while also claiming they're rare. I googled it and sure enough there were two breeders claiming they had "rare sealed black boxers." I've been on boxer forums for a few years, and trust me they don't really care for the term at all. Although reverse brindle is an acceptable term. However, we know if a breeder is using red nose/blue nose as a description, and charging $700 for papers are not what reputable breeders practice. How do we know this? From our members who are reputable breeders and members who've purchased from reputable breeders.

    Returning to you OP, I just really am trying to help you with accurate information. I'm in no way putting you down and hope you take no offense.
     
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  6. Shane780

    Shane780 Puppy

    I think you misunderstood 500 for a non papered dog. 1200 for an entirely different family of dogs with papers and pedigree. Even more for a different family. Not 500 without 1200 with same dog.
     
  7. Lillie May

    Lillie May Good Dog

    I based my comment on this post. Fully understanding you talked about 3 different families and he charged $700 more for a papered one. I agree we should move on to just talking about any questions or things you'd like to discuss about your girl.
     
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  8. Leslie H

    Leslie H Good Dog

    Hey Cofla, I am aware of health issues in dobe's, the OFA cardiac clinic I've used was hosted by the dobe club. They have a huge problem w/heart issues, the lady who got the clinic had actually gotten out of the breed because she couldn't take the pain of losing young dogs. But having health issues is not a given just because a dog is purebred or even inbred. But 115# is way out of standard, so my guess is that this was a breeder breeding for extremes, so health issues aren't a surprise, sadly.

    FCI (European) standard: "The Fédération Cynologique Internationale standard is slightly different and is followed by most countries. A male Doberman should stand 26.5 to 28 inches (68 to 72 cm) and weigh between 89 to 100 pounds (40 to 45 kg)."
     
  9. Leslie H

    Leslie H Good Dog

    Shane, what can I tell you about my little dogs? Here's my pup, she was 21# at 20 weeks.[​IMG]
     
  10. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    No, it's really not. What's sad is that in some breeds though is that the health issues are so pervasive that there is no place to go within the breed to fix it. The whole breed diversity thing.....
     
  11. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    And a true black? Be still my heart!
     
  12. Shane780

    Shane780 Puppy

    To find out what size she will be is there a
    Working Dogs in Europe, are specifically bred bigger. You cannot show a Dobe with Cropped ears it Docked tail either. One of the other ways to tell a working Dobe from a show Dobe in Hungary. His family line is filled with police and military dogs from both world wars. He has one pretty Pedigree and he is a good dog. Fortunately his family had very few members that developed wobblers, and most had good hips. I probably went through a 100 or so breeders befor I him. I noticed one major difference about breeders. People who show there dogs, talk the most trash, have the least intelligent dogs, with the worst temperaments, and have the most health problems. I would never buy a "Show" quality animal. And every show breeder slammed every other breeder, because there family line was the best. I watched the working Dobes and made my decision from there and it was a damn easy one.
     
  13. Capt. Roxy

    Capt. Roxy Good Dog Premium Member

    GORGEOUS! Love the collar too!
     
  14. Shane780

    Shane780 Puppy

    Marshall Manhunter
     

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  15. Leslie H

    Leslie H Good Dog

    Sorry Carla, she's a seal. Right now she's quite dark, I'm hoping she doesn't lighten up much.

    Shane, I agree w/you largely when talking about show breeders. But, conformational soundness is important in order for a working dog to function effectively and efficiently. Working dobes are pretty unusual in the states. There are a few, but in general they are from show lines, and lack work ethic, drive and courage.
     
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  16. Lillie May

    Lillie May Good Dog

    Her size will depend a lot on genetics. Generally speaking, look at the parents and that should give you a rough idea of her adult size. And I think I've read on here to double their weight at 2 or 3 months for a guess on adult weight. These are not hard and fast rules mind you, just generalizations. Besides genetics, theres how much & what kind of food and exercise she gets. Others with more experience can weigh in here. My comment is from what I've read here.

    I wanted to add, your Dobe is a very handsome fella. What kind of work do you have him do? And what made you look outside your country to get him? I really like learning new things.
     
  17. Shane780

    Shane780 Puppy

    My Doberman is trained to patrol my yard and guard my property. I had to go outside North America to find a healthy Doberman that was capable of stopping a person. Some North Americab Dobes were aggressive but were aggressive towards everything. The European ones from lines that were service dogs, police and military were able to distinguish between threat and non threat. Also the working Dobes were bigger more muscular and lived on average longer. Also the Breeder gave me a 4 year health guarantee, as well. As good as Marshall is, I cannot recommend Dobermans, Boxers, German Shepherds or any other dog that has been bred for that look. I only will recommend Border Collies and Bulldogs.(APBT). If you don't have an acreage or cattle, a border collie might not be for you either.
     
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  18. oldfashioned

    oldfashioned Puppy

    This pup doesn't look like a pitbull at all to me but the mom does so it's odd. If I was forced to guess I would guess a lab well before pitbull.
     
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  19. Shane780

    Shane780 Puppy

    She was born on July 3rd and she weighs 12.3 lbs
     

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