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Is my pup a Pitbull ?

Discussion in 'Pit Bull Puppy Discussions' started by Shane780, Aug 28, 2016.

  1. Shane780

    Shane780 Puppy

    The hair is only slightly longer in that specific back ridge area. I must have looked at a few hundred or so Pitbull photos and did find some with similar features. I trust my vet, and although the breed standard doesn't recognize the Merle colouring, Google search turns up quite a few results. A pretty pedigree doesn't make a good Bulldog. I paid 500 for her and am very happy. The person I got her from stated a papered Bulldog would be around 1200 and a non papered is 500. He didn't bother to get all of his Bulldogs papered. He had Old Family Reds with paper work, but they had way too much energy so I hand selected based on temperament a non papered pup.
     
  2. BCdogs

    BCdogs Good Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

    Anyone who charges an extra $700 (or anything at all) for paperwork is nothing by a scam artist.
     
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  3. Shane780

    Shane780 Puppy

    Do you happen to be an American Pitbull Breeder ?
     
  4. pitbulldogs

    pitbulldogs OHMUHGERD Staff Member Administrator

    I think we are of different opinions on the word pit bull. The umbrella term of pit bull is basically any dog that has a blocky head and might have features of one of many bull breed types, including Am Staffs, Staff Bulls, Am Bully's and Bull breed mutts, which is what most of these dogs labeled pit bull are.. A real Pit Bull, is an APBT (American Pit Bull Terrier) which has standards for the breed that have been standards for some time now. Merle coat is not one of them, it's a major fault and you would have to outcross to a completely different breed to get it, meaning the dog can't be an APBT. Might be mixed but it aint no bulldog.

    Extra $700 for papers? That is outlandish and absurd.. Scam artist for sure.
     
  5. Shane780

    Shane780 Puppy

    the gentleman I was dealing with had 3 different family's. Not same group of dogs but you pay 700 more for a paper. One was what he called a scatter bred. The one I picked. Entirely different dogs that had papers, and he had a stud and bitch forsale, but he wanted quite a bit for them. I don't understand why you automatically assume puppy peddler. I'm new to this site but it sounds like to me, there are a group of breeders who like to slam other people's yards. I have zero intention of showing my dog. So I could care less if she lives up to a kennel club standard.
     
  6. BCdogs

    BCdogs Good Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

    No, I'm not a breeder. Do you know how much registration papers cost? For an entire litter? Not much. So charging $700 for a piece of paper is insane, and in many places, illegal.
     
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  7. pitbulldogs

    pitbulldogs OHMUHGERD Staff Member Administrator

    Not calling anyone a peddler. I understand breeders not giving papers and papered dogs being more sometimes but most bulldog people still keep track of a breeding and still have a ped. I like having papers for my dogs, so i don't have to get on forums and ask if it's a real bulldog or not but i knew that when i picked the breeder i went with lol, reputable... Papers or ped come in handy if i ever wanted to breed later on, i will know whats on my yard, plus i plan to work, compete and show with my dogs.

    At the end of the day if you don't care then it don't matter, enjoy the dog! I have one here without papers or ped, just what they told me, which really doesn't amount to much.. I say if you want to know you are getting a real APBT, then seek out reputable breeders.
     
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  8. Shane780

    Shane780 Puppy

    She had a few features that didn't seem typical of most "pitbulls" I'm familiar with. She is my first game bred dog, and I don't know much about the breeder, it took quite a while just to get to talk to the fellow, and he wasn't ready to sell me a dog right away either.
     
  9. Capt. Roxy

    Capt. Roxy Good Dog Premium Member

    I think there's a misunderstanding. No one is trying to slam anyone's yard they are just trying to inform you based on fact and experiences. The sole purpose of this site is to educate and spread some wisdom.
    I think your puppy is adorable, enjoy the puppy stage! It goes super fast... ! :)
     
  10. pitbulldogs

    pitbulldogs OHMUHGERD Staff Member Administrator

    Most good breeders won't sell you a dog right away, it's a good thing imho. That means they at least care somewhat where the dog is going. I looked for almost 4 years, i also researched within those 4 years, like a lot lol but i didn't really start seeking out APBT breeders until about 2 years ago.
     
  11. Shane780

    Shane780 Puppy

    I wanted a smaller Bulldog, 40 lbs or less and female. My Doberman is purebred from Hungary, and is much larger then most North American Dobermans. My Doberman is super smart, and highly protective. Because of the purebred, he has a sensitive diet and skin, also being larger he will not live quite as long, that and being 115 lbs he's a big boy, much larger then I expected. What interested me in game bred Bulldogs, is the breeding for health and work ability, and not looks makes for a healthy long lived pet. Similar to Border Collies, in that regard. Would I like for her to have papers ? Absolutely. Do I want a 65 lb Pitbull that is registered with all organizations ? No way, I don't like keeping that big of a dog. I hear some game females are under 30 lbs conditioned. I Would love something that size.
     
  12. pitbulldogs

    pitbulldogs OHMUHGERD Staff Member Administrator

    There is breeders out there that have smaller bulldogs... I am fond of the smaller ones myself..
     
  13. Shane780

    Shane780 Puppy

    I could only find one Old Family Rednose breeder online in Canada that I liked, but his Dogs were too Big. I didn't find a "show" American Pitbull Terrier breeder, that had anything close to the size I am looking for. Don't get me wrong I love the look and power of the Big Dogs, but for myself I decided that 40lbs and Under is easier for myself to handle. I couldn't find any yards that had 30-35 lb weight Bulldogs.
     
  14. Shane780

    Shane780 Puppy

    A decent picture from the side view. 8 weeks old.
     

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  15. Leslie H

    Leslie H Good Dog

    I'm confused by some of what you've written. I'm from the states, so finding females under 30# isn't that hard. My 2 adults were 29 and 34# today at the vet, my 5 month old is in the low to mid 20's. They are weightpull dogs, not game dogs.
    But what is confusing is that you've said your dog is gamebred, but then say it's a rednose/bluenose cross. I can't think any game dog breeder would admit to using blue dogs or do it intentionally. The rednose guy you mentioned does have some nice dogs, if it's who I'm thinking of.
    Finally, why would your dobie have health issues because it's purebred, those things don't go hand in hand. From reading your posts, I think you are a well intentioned person that has been taken advantage of.
     
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  16. Cofla

    Cofla Big Dog

    Leslie H read this entry on the Blog of the ICB (Institute of Canine Biology) that post here often.
    http://www.instituteofcaninebiology...re-we-focused-on-consequence-instead-of-cause

    Eddy
     
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  17. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    In SOME breeds, being "purebred" (breeding from a closed gene pool) is starting to reveal it's deadly, tragic consequences.
     
  18. Shane780

    Shane780 Puppy

    My Doberman opposed to a Border Collie or an American Pitbull Terrier, is not as healthy nor will he live as long. Fortunately my Doberman is Healthy and has good hips. He can only have certain foods, or he makes like the saddest face when taking a dump. And special shampoo or his skin gets irritated. And he will most likely live between 7-10 years. He is 5 already. As for the fellow and his yard, I didn't ask what purpose the dogs were for. I have zero interest in dog fighting, I like working dogs. Like many have said blue is just a colour. Why would this person have that kind of dog ? I have no idea I'm guessing he picked it up without papers, but for whatever reason felt like breeding it with a Red that he had. I didn't ask a lot of questions, it was hard enough just to meet the person. I don't understand why this person would risk swindling me. I don't feel like I was cheated, but I am interested in your smaller dogs.
     
  19. Lillie May

    Lillie May Good Dog

    One of the interesting things about APBT's is the variety of of looks, range of weight, & height. As opposed to other breeds where they identified by sight alone, such as dobermans or border collies. It is also so much easier to be taken advantage of, it is very much a buyer beware situation. I got into a heated disagreement recently with a fellow & his wife who proudly announced they had a rare sealed black boxer. When I pointed out boxers don't carry the gene to get a black coat and the term sealed black only meant a reverse brindle, they got very upset and asked if I wanted to see the ped. Then talked about the breeder, yada, yada, yada. They were scammed but didn't think they were. I'm not saying you were. People here like to educate, share stories, and sometimes let someone know they were scammed if necessary. I'd want to know if I had been, but that's just me.

    A forum is an open discussion place where not all share the same point of view. Each person here shares one thing though, we love our dogs, no matter what, if any, breed. All my dogs are mixed breeds, but I've owned purebred ones in the past. I have a perfect example of a poor breeder should you care to hear it.
     
  20. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    Seal is not the same as reverse brindle (and actually the term "reverse brindle" is misleading, but IS commonly used to describe a dog with very heavy brindling, ie a dog with lots of brindling -- the black -- with only a little of the base coat showing through).
     
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