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Is it true?!

Discussion in 'General Dog Discussions' started by JohnnyJames, Jan 20, 2014.

  1. JohnnyJames

    JohnnyJames Puppy

    I've been researching pits recently and keep running into places that say they are dog aggressive?! Is it true? I personally think its all about how you raise them, right?

    I'm just wandering because I have a male Doberman and a female akita.

    Thanks!
     
  2. Team Peanut

    Team Peanut GRCH Dog

    It's definitely not how you raise them is genetic. Not all apbts are hot but they can turn on at any time even after years and some young. There are some that never turn on raised by the same owner of dog aggressive dog. It's individual but expect every dog to be capable of dog aggression.
     
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  3. Tiffseagles

    Tiffseagles GRCH Dog Premium Member

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  4. CrazyK9

    CrazyK9 Good Dog

    The "its all in how you raise them" bit was, I believe, started by rescue folks who wanted to make their "pibbles" more adoptable. Funny thing is they go on and on about that yet they tell sob stories about where their dogs came from. By their logic, wouldn't a dog who is beaten and abused be aggressive then? Yet there aren't if they have a good temperament. That's genetics not upbringing. Likewise, a puppy can be raised around other dogs and still end up wanting to kill them one day.
     
  5. _unoriginal

    _unoriginal Cow Dog

    They kinda shot themselves in the foot with that one. :no2: All they have done is set a death sentence for any adult dog and technically showed that abused dogs shouldn't be adopted.
     
  6. Joey&Zoey

    Joey&Zoey Good Dog

    To answer, yes it's true, the majority of APBT's and mixes are DA (dog aggressive) or dog selective. It has NOTHING to do with "it's all in how you raise them". That is nothing but a fur mommy infamous way of overlooking the breed's true nature by it's genetic makeup. Either by ignorance or refusal and denial to accept the breed entirely and therefore, focus on foolishly attempting to "convert" something into something it's not.

    They were bred for the sole purpose to be match/fighting dogs, for more than a 100 years. What does that tell you? is it really a surprise if they are DA? Can you raise a breed of dog that was bred for a sole purpose (hunting, herding, retrieving, guarding etc) to simply go against it's nature? no (You can try and generally drive right into failure, but any responsible dog owner should always expect, accept, and prepare, with a specific breed of dog the notion and management that comes with that specific breed.).

    Sure you may get one or two or three etc that can tolerate or even play with other dogs, but that doesn't mean those specimens alone, that don't fit the breed's expected characteristic trait as the majority, change the truth behind a common trait for the entire breed.

    Plenty of multi-dog homes with pit bulls, that once were "best buddies" for years, have ended up facing the nature of a pit bull, which is to fight and kill and from than on, have to be kept separated. It's just the reality of strong genetics and it is never the dog's fault or a "bad owner" who "raised" them "badly" (unless the owner was already well informed of the breed and still went on to believe it will never happen to them specifically, for whatever reason and therefore, set the dog up to fail.)

    There are stickies on the board that do cover these things, I recommend you read through them also.
     
  7. JohnnyJames

    JohnnyJames Puppy

    Thank you guys! I have some things to mule over and think about now. I think its always great to find the 'breed people' as they tend to have all the information.

    So, its genetic as well? Would you say that APBT's are more prone to, like, dog on dog aggression? What about buying from a good breeder, or does it matter?
     
  8. NobodyHere

    NobodyHere Guest

    APBTs are a fighting breed, so yes they are prone to aggression against other dogs. And NO good breeder is trying to breed out dog aggression. It's part of the breed and something owners should have researched and prepared for before getting one, NOT a fault.
     
  9. CrazyK9

    CrazyK9 Good Dog

    Buying from a good breeder I would say you are more likely to have dog aggression since they are trying to preserve the breed.
    If you don't want dog aggression, Staff breeders seem to be breeding away from it. I think its unfortunate really because the lines that lack dog aggression also seem to lack that confident, tenacious attitude too. There are always shelter dogs also. They vary in temperament and need to be individually accessed but mixes can be a lot less "crazy" than a purebred APBT.
     
  10. MJJean

    MJJean GRCH Dog

    I haven't been here in a while, so :wave3:all!

    Yes, it's genetic. Yes, you can still own an American Pit Bull Terrier and other dogs. You'll just have to make some adjustments if your APBT happens to be dog aggressive or dog selective.

    Dog Aggressive: Does not like other dogs. Will try to kill them. Cannot be trained away, but can be trained to act politely when seeing another dog at a distance. Never, ever, ever allow within reach of another dog. Usually, APBT become DA at maturity (between age 1-3), but some sooner.

    Dog Selective: Likes some other dogs, but not all. Opposite sex pairings have the best chance of working out. Still must be trained to act politely when seeing other dogs at a distance.

    I have an American Bulldog (Ike) two APBT (Rita and Renee) and a Basset Hound (Owen).

    Rita is my elder Pit at 6 years old. She was raised by a family member in a household with other Pits and had many visits at friend and family members houses where there were resident dogs. I took her in when she was about 1.5 years old because my family member could no longer afford to care for her. She's the best cuddler ever whelped. She also has allergies and a heart murmur, which are very common in poorly bred APBT and something to consider. Added expense of vet visits and treatment as well as more expensive food if the allergy is food related. At about age 3 Rita became dog selective. She pretty much liked my dogs and my brothers male and that was it from then on.

    I also have Renee, who I purchased as a pup from a breeder. She's extremely smart and an accomplished escape artist, also common in the breed. I use wire crates and have had to purchase carabiner clips to keep Renee from just letting herself out of the crate whenever she wants to. Renee was dog selective by 9 months old. She liked my dogs only from then on.

    Summer before last a guy was walking a Yorkie down the sidewalk in front of my house. Renee was the only dog out of her crate as I know better than to leave dogs unsupervised and loose together. While I was showering, Renee saw that Yorkie and literally jumped through my living room window in an attempt to eat it. Could have been prey drive as Yorkies are small and appear similar to the vermin APBT hunt like rats, rabbits, squirrels. Could have been her dislike of strange dogs. No way to know. Luckily, my teenage daughter was in the room and caught her before she could get all the way through. No one was hurt and I got to spend the evening replacing a glass pane.

    About 3-4 months after that incident, Renee was laying on the floor and Rita on the recliner. They were both napping peacefully. A few moments later, they launched themselves at each other and got into a fight. This was after being raised together since Renee was 8 weeks old, trained using positive reinforcement, and loved dearly. I grabbed my handy dandy parting stick, got them separated, got their wounds cleaned and began a course of antibiotics.

    Now, we are on strict crate and rotate. They both get along with my males, so I don't have to rotate the boys...thank God! Rita is out for a few hours, Renee is crated. After that few hours, I swap out the dogs. Rinse and repeat all day and evening. At bedtime, I crate everyone but Ike to prevent a possible escape-fight and to keep the hound from eating my stuff.

    Owning a Pit Bull requires understanding the breed, knowing dog body language, being extremely responsible when it comes to containment, and being willing to never, ever, leave multiple dogs loose unsupervised. If the APBT happens to have some level of dog aggression, you also have to come up with a fool proof way to keep the dogs separate. Crate and rotate, one dog inside and the others outside, a system of doors and baby gates...whatever works for you. You also have to be willing to mentally (training) and physically (running, flirt pole, long walks, sport) work the Pit on a daily basis or they have too much pent up energy and will begin entertaining themselves by trashing your stuff.

    These are amazingly smart, people focused, versatile, trainable, loving dogs. They aren't for the faint of heart or someone who isn't willing to go above and beyond to be able to own one.

    I knew going into it that there was a possibility that Renee and Rita would have to be kept separate and that I may, someday, have to break up a dog fight. I made sure I was prepared by having crates and a parting stick (aka break stick) ready and I am glad I did. Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it. Crate and rotate isn't a pain now that I have gotten into a routine and the truth is the dogs don't care because they nap a lot. One dog is napping in the crate and the other is wandering around or cuddling or being trained/exercised. Then we switch.

    If you're interested in the breed, good! Fully educate yourself, decide if the breed is right for you or if you're just going to be a non-owner fan. If you want an APBT, get a pup and raise it up and take your chances on some form of DA developing later or go to a rescue/shelter and get a dog over 3 who is not DA and mingles well with your existing dogs. But whatever you do, be willing to be a very committed and responsible owner.

    Good luck!
     
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  11. Cosmic Charlie

    Cosmic Charlie Good Dog

    APBT's are prone to being DA. If that bothers you than I would get another breed. You can't predict the outcome of a multi-dog household. They can all get along for years and one day the APBT decides they had enough with playing civilly and turns on. If your not willing to crate and rotate the three dogs if needed then I would avoid this breed. It is in their genetics. Of course, not every bull dog is dog aggressive and there are many of us who have multi dog houses. There are also many of us who crate and rotate all the time. I would be hesitant with a male bull dog going at it with the doberman and a female bull dog fighting with the akita (although it can be the other way as well).
     

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