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Is it possible to rehabilitate "unsound" dogs?

Discussion in 'Dog Debates' started by Nyli, May 2, 2013.

  1. Kahne

    Kahne Good Dog

    I also would like to add that the term human aggression is really misused and misunderstood I think. There is a big difference in a brat of a dog who just has no leadership and has bad behavior compared to a truly human aggressive dog.

    Of course I am talking about ALL breeds and I think some dogs are just assholes because they have not been shown how to be good and or bad behavior was encouraged as a puppy or young dog. I think that is easy to fix.

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  2. LovePup

    LovePup Good Dog

    A dog that aims to kill a human deserves a dirt nap.
     
  3. MMSmith

    MMSmith Good Dog

    There's a lot of dogs out there that don't have perfect temperaments or manners, and I'm ok with that. But true aggression, true untrustworthiness, that I would never be ok with that. Regardless of breed.
     
  4. Kahne

    Kahne Good Dog

    I would agree with that.
     
  5. Poisoned

    Poisoned GRCH Dog

    No.. A truly unsound dog couldn't be rehabilitated - in my opinion. To me unsound means something is wrong deep inside that dogs' mind, you can't fix something like that.

    I had one. I tried for a year. Never again, if a dog of mine ever makes me feel afraid, I'm going with that instinct.

    Human aggression is normal in more than a few breeds, it doesn't make them untrustworthy.. To me, untrustworthy is a dog who will go over threshold and take it out on me or a family member in the home. Even a HA (or, stranger aggressive? ) dog has it's family, and is no threat to them, an unsound dog is a danger to everyone.
     
  6. Blaze N' Pits

    Blaze N' Pits Good Dog

    According to some definitions here I have 2 unsound dogs. They do fine w/my family, I don't have kids, we have proper containment and it's not impossible to kennel them if need be when company is over.

    That being said, the way these two dogs act is completely our fault. We did not socialize them enough and they bark/growl at people while in certain locations (like on a walk and in public settings, etc.).
    In this case, I do feel we could rehabilitate them because when they are introduced to strangers in a different manner... they cautiously greet and eventually warm up on their own terms.
    So sometimes they act HA (although none have bit anyone because we haven't given them the chance) and other times they are fine. Once they are fine with someone, that's that... they never 'turn' or anything.

    But ya, that's my opinion. I think some dogs have potential to be rehabilitated depending on why they act the way they do. But I think that dog should never be 100% trusted and if as an owner you can't handle your shit then the dog would most likely be better off pts.
     
  7. Blaze N' Pits

    Blaze N' Pits Good Dog

    That's how I always understood 'unsound' also... as a genetic/mental issue that can't be fixed.
    I think some people here have their own definition lol.
     
  8. kbell6987

    kbell6987 Little Dog

    i agree with kahne and poisoned on this matter i am struggling with an adolecent jerk of a dog right now who is trying to be the dominent one in the house there by becoming more aggressive to straingers(he has never shown any to any of our family or friends), i caused it by being to easy going with him over the past 6months and now im paying the price of having to intensly train him out of his self proclamed role. but i dont believe he is unstable even though he is showing a bit of agression , and hopfuly with enough training and time he will go back to an easy going lover or at lease to some degree. that being said if he does progress to more HA he will be pts for everyones safety

    so i think given the right cercumstances some dogs can be rehabed or atleast atemted to helped but again i agree with most if your scared of your dog because of agression to you or your family they should probably be pts of corse this is all just IMHO
     
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  9. LilianaLove

    LilianaLove GRCH Dog

    An unsound dog mentally is no different than an unsound dog physically. You can put a patch over it, chop off the femoral head, let the dog walk around without a hip joint, but you'll never replace the fact that the dog has hip dysplasia, just like you can't fix a dog with an unsound temperament.
     
  10. Purpledomino

    Purpledomino Good Dog

    Without question a Pit bull type dog that shows ANY aggressive nature towards ANY humans...I would PTS. If a dog that was designed to fight another dog with enthusiastic vigor, were to direct those types of attributes towards a human being there is not even a chance in hell I would even consider trying to "fix" that.

    It's the bleeding heart owners of dangerous dogs of this type that continue to tarnish this dogs reputation, and spread false information that it is a breed that could be HA, instead of possibly DA. Human aggressive Pit bull type dogs are NOT the norm, and shouldn't be walking the earth IMO.
     
  11. Blaze N' Pits

    Blaze N' Pits Good Dog

    I'd also like to add that not every dog fits their standard to a T physically or mentally.
    There are dogs bred to guard that don't.
    There are dogs bred to fight that don't.
    There are dogs that are supposed to be friendly to anyone and everyone who aren't.
    Not all dogs are the same.
    In my opinion, if the dog understand who family is that's all that matters as long as that family can safely keep their dog maintained and it isn't a threat to anyone.
     
  12. Jazzy

    Jazzy GRCH Dog

    I agree with that 100%.

    However (and this is just expanding on my thoughts, not in response to your post LP) this is rarely the case.

    I tend to be in the camp of "rehabilitation" depends upon the dog, it's individual issues and the owners (do they have the resources, desire and the ability to manage the dog and meet it's needs).

    I put rehabilitation in quotes because a familiar scenario is a dog acting like the animal it is in an environment that provides no guidance or structure to do differently and the situation escalating to a point that the humans become uncomfortable. I don't think a dog in that situation is necessarily unsound, nor does it need to be rehabilated per se but it does need training, and now it probably needs mangement as well since it had the opportunity to practice and put into it's repetoire of behaviors undesirable responses.

    I don't personally differentiate by breed, I think it's more an issue of "can the person manage the dog safely" and that is going to vary person to person with breed being just one characteristic in the equation.
     
  13. BlueDiamond

    BlueDiamond Banned

    My opinion.... In cases where someone got a puppy as a house pet and it turned out to be aggresive but not to the owner, its the owners responsibility to properly contain it and still give it proper care for the rest of its life. Whether you have to get a big enclosed kennel for outside and also always on a long lead when playing and exercising. For inside, contain it while company is over. If the owner has a good bond with the dog, it can still be a great companion. You just have to work on the problem and train constantly, very carefully. Now, if the dog is straight up aggressive toward everyone and everything, I agree with what everyone else is saying. This is why, for a house pet, I recommend rescuing like a 1 year old so you have an idea of what you're getting.
     
  14. LilianaLove

    LilianaLove GRCH Dog

    The problem is this dog has no quality of life. Dogs like this live their life in constant anxiety. It is selfish to keep a dog like that alive.
     
  15. catchrcall

    catchrcall Good Dog Staff Member

    Exactly. If a dog has to be "managed" to the point where it can't even act like a dog, they the dog's life sucks and the owner is just keeping it around for themselves. Either they can't stand up to doing the right thing, or they make themselves feel like some super dog owner because "I can manage a dog that not everybody could deal with" because "I'm a very responsible person" or "we have protocols that we follow with the dog". Great, jackass. That's how somebody gets bitten. Some idiot with "it can't happen to me" syndrome keeps a dog around that's already shown tendancies toward doing the wrong thing. The sad thing, the REALLY sad thing, is that it's never the uber responsible moron that gets bitten by the dog they claime they can manage. It's always somebody else, every time.
     
  16. MJJean

    MJJean GRCH Dog

    A sound guardian breed dog should be willing to aggressively defend its home and family from a real threat. That's not HA, that's a dog doing what it was bred to do. A guardian breed that acts aggressive with strangers that aren't a threat is a dog that has a problem. A guardian breed should be able to tell the difference between a threat and a non threat and act accordingly. It's normal for a guardian breed to be wary of nonthreatening strangers, but not to try to take a snap at them.



    Good Lord, why? How could you think that anyone should be expected to house and contain a dog that is a legal liability? The dog can't live like a dog and the owners spend 10 or more years under lockdown conditions and living in fear of their dog getting loose through some mishap, biting someone, and getting them sued for all they're worth. True personal responsibility and commitment to both dogs and society in general means putting down a dangerous dog yourself and getting one that is stable.

    There are too many good stable dogs out there looking for a home to keep a dangerous dog alive. No reason to court personal and financial disaster to keep a nutty dog.

    Just to let ya know, there are a lot of dogs out there that came from rescues as young pups or young adults that have reached full maturity and become aggressive. Rescuing is actually more of a crap shoot than buying from a responsible breeder who breeds for physical and mental health. I have nothing against a nice rescue, but the reality is that a dog of known lineage is more likely to be a stable pet than a dog of unknown genetic heritage. Sure, there are a lot of lovely and stable rescue dogs out there, but not all of them are stable, will remain stable once reaching maturity, and there are too many bleeding hearts that will keep an unstable dog alive and adopt it out to some unsuspecting human complete with excuses at best and no disclosure of aggressive behavior at worst.
     
  17. Poisoned

    Poisoned GRCH Dog

    Well I suppose that's opinion. I wouldn't kill a BoerBoel for biting a stranger who randomly reached for his face to pet him. Or someone who walked into the yard to go knock on the door and got a chomp out of their leg. Neither of those are a true threat.

    I also guess it depends on your definition of human aggression and I believe I misused the word.
     
  18. E Diggy

    E Diggy Big Dog

    I suppose it's POSSIBLE, but I certainly wouldn't have a dog in my home that we've had a problem with. And let's be clearer, are we talking about HA or viciousness? A dog that attacked an intruder to save my kids would be showing HA, but I wouldn't put that dog down for showing HA. If a dog was showing signs of viciousness, he's out. Probably not to be rehomed either.
     
  19. BlueDiamond

    BlueDiamond Banned

    If a dog turns out to be aggressive, its not the end of the world. Any dog I get is in my family for the rest of its life, no matter what. Im sure there are dogs with real mental problems, but id be willing to bet that the majority of aggressive dogs that have been put down is a result of irresponsible owners and not enough training, and could have been fixed (any breed).
     
  20. E Diggy

    E Diggy Big Dog

    No matter what? If you get a dog and it bites one of your kids, or the neighbor's kid, or your spouse or whoever, you're keeping that dog?
     

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