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Is HA really DA in most cases?

Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by buddysmom, Aug 7, 2007.

  1. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    Something in another thread sparked a memory of this interesting article I read once ... wish i could find it but the author contended that most pit bull attacks on humans occurred when a person was trying to defend their dog from being attacked and the aggression was redirected at the person; in other words in these cases there is no HA just redirected DA.

    Does anyone else remember reading this article or something similar?
  2. babyreba

    babyreba Puppy

    I personally have never read that. I can say that the few times I've witnessed dog fights (not the pit kind, the kind that happens when a random dog comes up to your dog . . . or when your dogs accidentally get into it) and had to break them up, the pit bulls have always been pretty damn focused on the other dog. So much so that they usually try to get around me to get at the other dog and go out of their way to make the distinction between me and the object of their aggression.

    I know there are instances in which dogs, pit bull or otherwise, do turn their attention toward the human being in the way during a dog fight. In my experience that happens when A) the dog is incredibly frustrated and lashes out at the person because it's looking to relieve its stress; B) the dog is a true redirector and will bite whatever gets in its way; C) the dog is somewhat fearful and perceives the human being's intervention as a threat and bites as a result.
  3. Vanella

    Vanella Little Dog

    Excellent Post BabyReba.....I have never read anything like that (The article that the OP is referring to) but concur with Babyreba's post...

    And there ARE HA dogs which are tempermentally unsound and in my opinion should be euthed. They are not a good representation of the breed.

    Having said that, a redirection isn't always indicative of a HA dog. I've broken up a few fights (more than I care to admit) and my dog will go out of his way to NOT get me...can't always say that for the other dog tho.
    As BR mentioned redirection can come about because of several reasons.

    Excellent topic for discussion.
  4. monkeys23

    monkeys23 GRCH Dog

    Good topic. I think babyreba makes a good point, its logical that there are different types of redirection since not every dog reacts in situations the same way.

    It crosses my mind every time I walk Sparky and he hides behind me when a dog barks agressively from a chain or behind a fence.
    Twice this past weekend we were approached by aggressive loose dogs. They acted just as aggressive to me as they did to my dog, which is scary.

    Once two large bird dog mixes crossed the street and followed us and the other time this lab mix came charging from behind this house and we had to walk in the street due to being unable to cross because of traffic and the lack of safety on the sidewalk. That last one was scary, I was so proud of Sparky for keeping his cool.

    What about territoriality as a contributing factor to DA and HA (or redireccted DA also)? I think that would be an interesting addition to this discussion.
  5. Vanella

    Vanella Little Dog

    Monkey (sorry, don't know your real name:blush:) I think that absolutely in guarding dogs territory is a factor.....My experience with pits (that are of sound temperment of course) will usually bark their heads off looking out the window, or if the doorbell rings, or if they can hear something on the other side of the fence, but once they encounter that person they turn into absolute wiggle butts. That is why, in my opinion and there will be LOTS of other ones, but that is why I don't think that pits make for good PP dogs.
  6. monkeys23

    monkeys23 GRCH Dog

    That was exactly the conclusion I have come to.:)

    My dumb boyfriend still insists that Sparky "guards" his house. He just doesn't get it.:mad:
  7. monkeys23

    monkeys23 GRCH Dog

    btw my real name is shawndra:rolleyes:

    yeah those loose dogs were definitly territorial. It makes me mad when people don't either tie up or fence in dogs like that, its dangerous for both passing people and animals.

    However, I think most of the barking Sparky does is behavioral due to lack of attention. He is such an attention whore and doesn't get much of any while at my bf's. That and his brothers dog is a constant barker.

    That and he and my neighbor's little dog have a "game" where they run on the fence and bark... stupid yappy dog started that. He gets his outside time revoked when he barks like that, so he is listening more when I have to yell "no barking!":lol:

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