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Is a big head a big deal?

Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by Alan, Dec 13, 2007.

  1. Alan

    Alan Banned

    I always hear people say Ooooooo THAT DOG HAS BIG HEAD! Do you think a big head is a big deal?
     
  2. Rai_77

    Rai_77 Good Dog

    it's a fad thing. Big heads are "cool"
     
  3. Alyssa

    Alyssa Puppy

    I freaking hate it. Almost as bad as the blue-nose question.
     
  4. screamin'eagle

    screamin'eagle Good Dog

    Big heads are a big deal! An overly big head takes away from ability/function.
     
  5. wheezie

    wheezie Little Dog

    i read the title of the thread and acidentally spit my pop out lol
     
  6. Alan

    Alan Banned

    :lol:
    Honestly, that wanstn on purpose!

    To be thinking like that, you must be related to Debbie! :lol:
     
  7. tat2stuff

    tat2stuff Good Dog

    people always try to tell me Bella is a mix because she has a small head :rolleyes:
     
  8. Alan

    Alan Banned

    I know we are not supposed to talk about dog fighting so we have to tread lightly here. These dogs were bred for dog fighting however. If you wanted to stay pure and breed the dog for it's original intentions, would a big head be an asset or a liability to a breeding program?
     
  9. Miakoda

    Miakoda GRCH Dog

    A big head in the "pit bull" breeds is nothing more than a fad. It's the equivalent of the diamond and platinum chain for humans. :no2:

    The bigger the head, the bigger the target. Same goes for the wide chest. I don't know anyone with gamebred dogs that brags about a dog having a wide chest.....rather they complain about it. ;)
     
  10. tat2stuff

    tat2stuff Good Dog

    a picture speaks a thousand words...

    not in any particular order

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    Jocko

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    Jeep

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    Homer

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    Tige

    none of these dogs had particularly big heads and they all excelled in their "field" .
    I really don't think a bigger head is any advantage at all for these dogs and agree with screamins earlier post
     
  11. jennay2

    jennay2 Banned

    I don't think it does. I think Kay's head is small, but to everyone else it's HUGE. I just hate to hear "you know she's purebred because of the size of her head" ::Sigh::
     
  12. screamin'eagle

    screamin'eagle Good Dog

    Along the lines of what tat was saying...

    Santa's GR CH Mongoose

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    Crenshw's CH Hurt (Jeeps brother)

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    Crenshaw's Charlie (Jeeps other brother)

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    Gambler's GR CH Virgil

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    Going Light Barney

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    Cates GR CH Nigerino

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    STP's GR CH Buck

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    Adam's GR CH Zebo

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    Carver's Stompanato

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  13. lunadogge

    lunadogge Little Dog

    The problem with the head size issue is the poser punk thugs that put all of there dogs credibility in head size are assuming that the size has to do with bite strength. This has moved to the general public that think these huge head dogs have locking jaws that need to be opened with crowbars. A dog that is 20'' with a 26'' head means absolutely nothing in the quality of dog, it says more about the lack of quality.

    The big heads are useless too if there is not proper biology to support the muscle. The sagital crest the muscle attaches too has more to due with the bite strength then the size of muscle.
     
  14. Alan

    Alan Banned

    Excellent Point!
     
  15. Shes Got Heart

    Shes Got Heart Little Dog

    I just like me a good wedge shape. Like these



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    Nice sized heads with the traditional pit bull shape. The shorter muzzle... the wide smile. But not overly done like an Am Bully.
     
  16. Miakoda

    Miakoda GRCH Dog

    That first dog is an AST that most probably has been bred for nothing more than his head and chest. He's musculoskeletal build is overdone. However, if you like ASTs, then far be it from me to say anything. As long as that dog isn't confused for an APBT.

    I'm not a fan of the short muzzles. As these dogs were bred for function, a too short muzzle is going to hinder it's chances of being successful when hunting.
     
  17. Debbie

    Debbie Good Dog

    Alan !!!! :mad: but you know it's all in how you use it.....;) :p

    :lol:I thought it said "Is Big Hair a big deal?"

    I was gonna say...well it does require some effort when I go out....:p
     
  18. screamin'eagle

    screamin'eagle Good Dog

    I agree the first dog is an Amstaff, and is probably show bred rather than for function as has already been stated. I wanted to add that The shorter muzzle and wider chest is not the traditional pitbull shape. A short muzzle would not have been effective for the catchwork/baiting work of the original bulldog...nor did a shorter muzzle come from terrier crosses. Wider chest became a bigger target, and also takes away from the depth of the chest which is more effective for efficient breathing. An athlete has to breath properly in order to sustain any type of work.
     
  19. Shes Got Heart

    Shes Got Heart Little Dog

    I'm not talking short/smashed... I'm talking not long like a labradors muzzle. I googled American Pit Bull Terriers and got that dog you call an Amstaff... the picture was titled as an APBT. Ahem anyhow, Some more examples... "I found these on apbtconformation.com

    This dog has a nice head... and is a UKC champion
    http://www.ukcpitbull.com/galleries/details.php?image_id=454

    This dog also exhibits a good square head and a shorter muzzle that I refer too.
    http://www.ukcpitbull.com/galleries/details.php?image_id=170

    And heres a great, lean muscular dog with a great head
    http://www.ukcpitbull.com/galleries/details.php?image_id=1137

    Taken from the UKC Conformation standard
    The APBT head is unique and a key element of breed type. It is large and broad, giving the impression of great power, but it is not disproportionate to the size of the body. Viewed from the front, the head is shaped like a broad, blunt wedge. When viewed from the side, the skull and muzzle are parallel to one another and joined by a well defined, moderately deep stop. Supraorbital arches over the eyes are well defined but not pronounced. The head is well chiseled, blending strength, elegance, and character.


    MUZZLE - The muzzle is broad and deep with a very slight taper from the stop to the nose, and a slight falling away under the eyes. The length of muzzle is shorter than the length of skull, with a ratio of approximately 2:3. The topline of the muzzle is straight. The lower jaw is well developed, wide and deep. Lips are clean and tight.
     
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  20. Shes Got Heart

    Shes Got Heart Little Dog

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