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Discussion in 'American Pit Bull Terrier History' started by JShumate, Dec 7, 2010.

  1. JShumate

    JShumate Little Dog

    Is there any people on here from Ireland? I have read a few different things written by people that say that the apbt origanated in Ireland (well there and England) if I'm not mistaken they said Mr. Colby himself based his yard off the dog imported from Ireland. I read that he used to pay for men to come to the u.s only stipulation they bring a well bred apbt with them. I guess my real question to anyone who is in Ireland, is there still well bred apbt there how is the quality of the dogs there. Now like I said y'all I just read this I am not saying this to be true but if it is I'm asking how the dogs are because if that's where our breed originated from why not go there and get a bulldog that's why I'm curious if there are any Irish on here.
  2. LilianaLove

    LilianaLove GRCH Dog

    I'm pretty sure northern ireland has a 'dangerous dog' ban similar part not related to the UK dangerous dog ban. I would think any dog there would be well hidden.
    Not sure about the rest of ireland.
  3. Sandi

    Sandi Big Dog

    Hare coursing with Lurchers & matching dogs was alive & well with the traveling folk when I left the Uk, pretty much all the " old " field sports really. They still have big fairs where they trade & race horses, bet, fight & get married in Ireland.
    A dog ring fighting in the backs of lorries traveling up & down the motorway was busted a few years ago too.
  4. ColbyDogs

    ColbyDogs Big Dog

    Just to clear some things up, JP Colby never paid anyone to come to the USA, he did however buy dogs straight off the boat from immigrants who just arrived. Also, his yard was made up of all sorts of dogs, he did however favor dogs that were bred in Ireland but they were not the only dogs he based his yard off of.
  5. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    Well, remember, when Colby brought his dogs from Ireland (1800s ColbyDog?), they weren't APBTs! They were the old bull and terriers that, in THIS country, BECAME the APBT!

  6. skippy

    skippy Big Dog

    Ireland has some good dogs if you know where to look. I believe there are a few spattered around in the UK as well of the original game lines but they are few and far between. I have seen reports of matches between UK and US dogs and for the most part the uk dogs did quite well. Based on subjective reports they are potentially more atheletic that a typical apbt and I believe hold records in various events. Far more of the dogs there today are descendants of the modern apbt taken back to the UK (mostly) before any bans were in place.
  7. Lumos

    Lumos Puppy

    Living in England and traveling to Ireland at least 4 times a year I would say there dogs are pretty poor but I don't really know about proper bred apbt. Here in England apbt and amstaffs are illegal but not in parts ireland. Recently alot of the dogs in Ireland are am buldog, eng staff, French mastiff and "pit" mixes I don't know why but it's what I've seen alot of.
  8. JShumate

    JShumate Little Dog

    Great thanks for the info y'all that was something I had read was just curious about it
  9. 6pack1%er

    6pack1%er Good Dog

    There are plenty of pit bulls in ireland. You will just be pressed to find them.
  10. mr.clueless

    mr.clueless Good Dog

    :confused:....are you sure about that !

    as regards travelling folk matching dogs,have you seen the condition they fight in bareknuckle....they simply dont have the knowledge to condition or handle a dog,yes i dare say they throw a few dogs together now and then for entertainment,not much different to your average street corner macho man wannabe gangster really.

    same as anywhere else,ireland has retained a small circle of true dogs of the breed....same as england has.....same as america has.....same as spain,italy or many other parts of the world.....if you know who to look to you,ll find them if you dont you wont and thats how it should be.
  11. Sandi

    Sandi Big Dog

    Agreed. Sporting dogs have been popular for hundreds of years but tend to be well under the radar. I can remember when i was kid Gypsies coming to town & seeing them coursing in the fields & they had some real lean, beat up looking Terriers too.
  12. Hoyden

    Hoyden Little Dog

    I have distant cousins in Ireland that still have Staffordshire Terriers.

    My Great Grandfather took me to visit them when I was 5 years old before we went back to Japan. (I am a military brat)

    I fell in love with a stafforshire terrier that slept in this small wooden framed trundle type bed with me. They would have let me have her, but the quarantine in Japan was brutal. :mad:
  13. Blaze N' Pits

    Blaze N' Pits Good Dog

  14. mr.clueless

    mr.clueless Good Dog

    ive known plenty of trvelling boys over the years....none ever had dogs that were worth a carrot !....they simply dont understand breeding,conditioning or anything to do with sporting dogs.....yes they can let a few dogs fight or course the odd rabbit and have no respect for laws,but that dont prove much does it.
    as for the dog matching in the backs of lorries :confused:.....sounds like typical newspaper sensationalism to me.
  15. RickyB

    RickyB Puppy

    The the APBT has been in Ireland since the 1970s and there are many breeders and fanciers of this breed, most of the well known bloodlines have been imported and the breed is going strong....R
  16. swampa

    swampa Puppy

    a well known dog from the usa came to the uk as a stud dog and ended up a=in irland as one the dog passed away a few years back but there is off spring of him still the dog came from B H in the usa
  17. NGK

    NGK Little Dog

    Colby based his entire strain around a single outcross (the only outcross) the dogs name was Galtie and was named after the place where some of his family came from in Ireland. This dog was Irish and was said to be the best of quality in its day. He used 6 other dogs before this time to base his strain off of, I could list them for you but I have done so in 2 other posts and it caused nothing but greif for the board so I will leave it at that.

  18. Birchy

    Birchy Puppy

    Hi there...well Im from England with Irish roots and my family have been breeding pits for generations and have tried to keep to the same way of breeding and bloodlines. All I can say is even with the changes in law and discrimination against the apbt the breed is still going strong here and in Ireland. Please check out IPBTA :-)

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