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Indoor or Outdoor (Who wants to debate?)

Discussion in 'Dog Debates' started by buddysmom, Jun 18, 2007.

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  1. dragonshade

    dragonshade Little Dog

    Cynthia....

    My post was...... "Personally my dogs are inside dogs. I see no purpose in having a dog, and then leaving him/her outside all the time."

    Yes that is my opinion.

    Your response was.... "Not every dog is a pet. And just because they are outside does not mean they all need your sympathy or you judging."

    Every dog is not a pet, that is your opinion, fine.

    "Because they are outside does not mean they all need your sympathy or judging" is more than an opinion. Feels I am being accused of something in that.


    I see we agree far more than not, and I have no issue with you. Shit, I had hoped to meet you one day.
     
  2. Cynthia

    Cynthia Good Dog

    I do not have an issue with you either. In that post you said you can not understand owning a dog and keeping it outside 24/7. I was simply saying that not all dogs are pets.

    At work we deal with hundreds of hunting dogs where I live and they are not treated like pets. But they are properly taken care of. And believe it or not alot of dogs do not want to come in the house.

    I have nothing against inside dogs. Two of mine come in every night. But I am tired of people (not you directly) judging because some keep them outside. We have a total of 15 dogs now. Keeping them inside is not an option. But they are rotated inside.
     
  3. CoolHandJean

    CoolHandJean Krypto Super Dog

    That's the truth. Cuddles is a nervous wreck in the house. She won't sit still. She always is going to the door and whining. She just can't stand to be inside, especially if it's cold out.
     
  4. gonloco

    gonloco Little Dog

    I had a dog that hated linoleum. He would just stand there with his legs locked lol. For the most part, my dogs do not enjoy being indoors, they are crowded, nervous, and hot.
     
  5. Jazzy

    Jazzy GRCH Dog

    I think indoors or outdoors can work equally well. As others have said I think it has more to do with each individual situation, the set-up and the temperment of the dogs.

    I only have one dog, and she is definitly a pet. Since her purpose in being with us is companionship...then she is with us; which means indoors unless we are outside with her. Interestingly, perhaps since we had her since she was a puppy and is accustomed to being with people; I've noticed she gets bored easily and really can't amuse herself outside. Generally we have to engage her in fetch, flirtpole etc...otherwise she wanders around and ends up trying to eat all sorts of things she is allergic to (like weeds, leaves, bugs, the neighbor's cat).:(
     
  6. Xelda13

    Xelda13 Puppy

    I admit I haven't read many of the replies, but read the question and just wanted to put in my input. I wouldn't keep a dog outside because to us, that's just not why we have them. Our dogs are family, they do everything with us and go everywhere with us. Realistically, sure even a human could live outside in a cage as long as it had some form of shelter from the elements and was given food from time to time. Humans are still mammals. And we could still perform functions and work without needing companionship. But given the choice any day I'd rather be on a warm couch when it's snowing outside than just a heatlamp in a wooden box... I mean, just because you CAN thrive a certain way doesn't mean it's ideal... especially to any domesticated animal, IMHO.
     
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  7. Aussie_Dog

    Aussie_Dog Puppy

    I have to say that just because a dog isn't comfortable with the indoors, doesn't mean he won't be in the future. It's a thing called training. If he's been outside for a majority of his life and suddenly he finds himself in a strange building with four walls and a roof, and so much more space than he'll ever find in a dog house, then yes, he'll be uncomfortable and nervous. You have to work with him to show that linoleum isn't so scary, that warmth is comfortable, that the air in a house (versus fresh air) won't kill him, etc. Show them that you, their alpha and master, are HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY in this strange building, and they'll feed off of you. They learn through you and once they get over that initial shock and fear, they'll look to you to see how the pack should proceed. If you're calm and comfortable, they'll be likewise.

    That said, my own dog spent the first 7 years of his life outdoors. His first couple of days here, he spent inside, and then he spent the next 7 years outdoors. First on a cable tie-out, then a chain when he'd repeatedly wrap the nearby apple tree until the cable snapped (and the tree died). Then we secured the yard with fence in the spots where there was no fence and we got rid of the chain. That alone made him so much happier, with much less barking and lonely looks towards the back door. But eventually that wasn't enough, and he'd go to sitting on a log that's near the back door and just sit on it all day and stare at the door. He got frequent visits indoors all the time, and like many of you, I noticed discomfort in him. He would spent much of the time laying by the back door, or laying under the kitchen table. He wasn't used to it and he craved the cooler air and open space of the back yard. But when he sliced his paw on a walk when he was 7, he spent some time indoors because the cut got infected. It was a grant chance to teach him to leave the cats alone (something I'd been trying to do, but unable to really get into his brain). He was more focussed on his foot than the cats, and the cats grew comfortable with his presence and Jake himself got that light-bulb moment when he'd see me get happy. He learned that by ignoring the cats, they'd come to him. That also showed my family that medium-sized dogs AREN'T too big to live indoors. What a concept! Some months later, he tore the ACL in his leg and had to have surgery. He spent the next 4 weeks inside, a crash-course with a crate, and never really went back outside again. He'd had arthritis since he was 6 (handed down from his sire, but the harsh Alberta winters didn't help any) and it was already agreed that he'd become an indoor dog when he was 8. He started in on that retirement just a year early.

    I have to say, he's turned around my ideas on outdoor dogs. I used to defend them, say that my dog was happy (but really, what comparisons did I have?) and well-loved. Nowadays, he's so much different than he used to be, and he's getting companionship and the pack that he wasn't getting before. I'll agree that some dogs really are better outside, especially Huskies and Malamutes (who are bred for colder weather). While some dogs AREN'T best outside, as long as the owner spends more time outdoors than they do indoors (say they have a garden they're fanatical about, or they spend a heavy duty amount of time in training and competing with their outside dogs), then it's fine. It's when the dog is in exile (which it actually is, when you think about it; gives me whole new clouds of guilt) that it's not right. A dog needs to be with his pack, above all, or he's missing out on the basics of life. As long as that's being met, along with vet care, then it really doesn't matter WHERE he lives.
     
  8. High Athlon

    High Athlon Little Dog

    Personally, I don't think it's OK to leave dogs outside on a chain with a dog house 24/7. Dogs need interaction with their owners. I would never leave my dogskenneled or chained 24/7. They need to be around the family, socializing, getting attention, etc.

    My dogs are kenneled in the summertime in their barn, yes, but they get out of the kennel at least four times a day, at least 2 hours each time they get out. In the wintertime, even though they do have a barn with individual kennels, I do not leave them outside. I bring them in, some sleep in crates, some sleep with me. As much as my dogs absolutly LOVE snow, I would NEVER leave them out there in it, shelter or not.

    With CERTAIN breeds, and CERTAIN dogs, I think that outside is OK. With other breeds and other dogs, being outside all of the time is not OK.

    First, take breed. Some dogs love being outside. Take the Husky, the Alaskan Husky, and the Alaskan Malamute for example. They love the cold, they were BRED to love the cold and to withstand extreme temperatures, to compete in below frozen level, and to sleep buried in the snow. This breed (excluding some of the dogs who don't live up to what they were bred for) LOVES being outside, and would rather be outside than inside most of the time, and often get hot and nervous inside with their wooly, thick coats. Just because they love being outside, though does not mean they should be 24/7. They need to interact with the family, experience life with the people inside.

    Now take the APBT for example. They have thin coats, most of them don't have an ounce of fat on their body, and all they have is muscle. It's tough for them to keep warm, and in cold weather, with nothing but a chain and a dog house, it can be brutal for them. I do NOT think it is OK to leave your APBT outside in freezing weather with nothing but a wooden dog house and a chain.

    Whether wolves can do it or not, some breeds, some dogs, cannot withstand it. Domesticated dogs do not have the same coat as the wolf, and most don't have the same will as the wolf.

    After breed, you have to take the dog himself into consideration. My Grandpa had a German Shepherd named Baby who did not like going inside at all. She loved being outside, and had her own chair outside on the deck. She loved it and hated going inside, so she was an outdoor dog. When Baby passed away, they got a Bernese Mountain Dog named Bear who hated being outside alone. He loved being inside with his master rather than outside, so he was an indoor dog. I think it depends a lot on the dog.

    Pit bulls, of all dogs, need to interact and be with their family. I think it's OK for them to be outside; maybe even the majority of the time, but they still need to be with the family a lot as well. When it comes to cold weather, they should be inside with you.
     
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  9. IronChef

    IronChef Big Dog

    It's your dog, keep it where ever you see fit.
     
  10. kris2642

    kris2642 Good Dog

    I was talking about this subject with my 63 year old dad who had St. Bernards growing up. He grew up in Ontario, Canada where it's cold as hell in the winter and all his dogs lived outside full time. The crazy thing is he said they had nice dog houses with straw and hay, but the dogs would actually dig out a den in the snowbank and literally live in the snow during the winter, they preferred it to their dog houses. So maybe some dogs do better in the cold depending on their breed. However I was under the impression that pitbulls don't do well in the cold because of their short coats, am I mistaken?
     
  11. CoolHandJean

    CoolHandJean Krypto Super Dog

    Kris, Cuddles used to make a little den in the snow as well, when we lived in PA. We'd wake to find her in the morning covered in snow. lol. She loved it and lived for it. She is a lab/husky mix.

    While APBT are short haired dogs, it all depends on the weather they are used to, but for extreme colds, then I'd say they'd probably not fair well in the cold, but don't know 100%. I've never owned an APBT in a very cold region. My dogs do well outside here in NC, though.
     
  12. kris2642

    kris2642 Good Dog

    @CoolHand, Cuddles is a snow dog too? That's funny, I think I'm such a wimp when it comes to the cold it's hard for me to imagine some dogs actually enjoy living in the snow LOL.
     
  13. windyrising

    windyrising Puppy

    Pit bulls can't or don't like cold weather, there hair is too short and they aren't equip, meaning their body, to endure cold temps. i have 3 and they hate the cold. personally no one should own any dog if they are going to be tied 24 7. dogs should be part of the family, not just fed water and leave them on a string
     
  14. windyrising

    windyrising Puppy


    you are correct, pit bulls hate the cold.
     
  15. leprikan

    leprikan Puppy

    With my dogs one of them loves the cold weather. She gets herself riled up and does laps around the yard till she cannot run anymore and the boy he hates being in the cold so bad that he will go outside and stand by the door to go to the bathroom and start flailing himself up against the back door till I open it and usually he only lasts about two minutes.
    But with that being said I let my dogs stay outside during the day and let them sleep/hang out in the evenings depending on the weather. I try not to leave my dogs outside to much in the evenings, because the temp here drops so quickly.
     
  16. Tara4Cookie

    Tara4Cookie Puppy

    This Is A Good Subject To Debate =]

    I Live In Ireland , Where We Have Typical Irish Weather lol Rain,Snow,The Sun Eventually When It Come Out :L
    I Keep My 4 Outside. The Have There Kennels & Dog Pens.There Not Chained Bcoz They Have There Pen & Its Extra Extra Hight Bcoz Socks Is Like A Cat :L lol I Also Give Them Blankets At Night Bcoz It Does Be Cold At Times.
    Before We Got Pebbles Socks Was A House Dog . Wasn't Allowed To Keep The Two Of Them In The House ... Then Along Came Bear , Then Boots .

    Pebbles -Not Housed Trained & Eats Everyting
    Bear - Not Housed Trained & Would Be Impossible To Have A House Left If She Were To Be A 'House Dog' lol
    Boots- Is A 'House Dog' Loves His Comfort Lol But Hes Not Housed Trained & Wouldnt Be Fair On The Others If He Were To Stay In The House..

    They Do Come In The House For A Few Hours One At A Time . I Personally Wouldnt Keep 4 Dogs In The House. Maybe 1 Or 2.
    I Have Seen Some Dogs That Stay In The House & Think Its Theres , Bark Continoulsy At People At The Door Etc...
    But What Ever Floats Yer Boat ...=]
     
  17. caliber5

    caliber5 Big Dog

    Well in my opion it depends on the breed of the dog and where you live. I live in Wis so exspecialy during the winter if you have a pit or something like a pit they should not live outside. But my mom's dogs who are labs are outside dogs and they love living outside, Titan the oldest one doesnt even like going inside. But if you live down south or in a warmer place your dog no matter the breed (Unless you have a toy breed, I don't think toy breeds should be outside dogs) should be able to be an outside dog year round.
     
  18. Strakatz

    Strakatz Little Dog

    I know this is an old thread and I don't really want to debate inside verses outside.

    My dogs live inside.
    I'm in the doghouse so much with my wife. I just had to bring them in. Not enough room for all 3 of us in there.:)
     
  19. Truk

    Truk Little Dog

    my dog is inside, BUT she has been adapting to outside chaining because I'de rather have her and "all-around" dog.....so if need be that she has to go outside on a chain then she's fine with that......
     
  20. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog

    Someone made a good point, if it's just one dog outside it is in exile ... that is the worst thing that can happen to a dog in the wild, being kicked out of the pack.

    But if there were more than one dog (like my neighbors in back have 2, and the ones on the side have 3) ... they are out most of the time and quite happy because they have companionship.

    When I first started this thread WAAAY back it was admittedly out of prejudice against people who keep yards of pit bulls on chains. Now I admit it wasn't that I thought the dogs were necessarily not well cared for or unhappy, it was the fact that I thought anyone who had "yards" of pit bulls must be dogfighters.

    Now I know that is not true.
     
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