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In Other News.. Mauling and Attacks

Discussion in 'General Dog Discussions' started by LeighAnn, Dec 21, 2017.

  1. Worg

    Worg Little Dog

    My family has always believed bull breeds are dangerous, but not to the point of believing they ALL are, just that they are more likely to be vicious and snap than any other breed. My dad constantly jokes about how my dog is going to eat him, and she does this freakout rolling on peoples heads when she is excited so he will say "Look she's trying to kill me right now!" when she does that to him :P
    When I told my family I was going to adopt a bully they all thought I was crazy because I was going to get a likely 'damaged' dog of a dangerous breed, but they don't have concerns any more after meeting her. My parents having experienced my struggles with my GSDs prey drive also changed their perception of 'dangerous', because they trust him and they came to realize a dog that would kill a goat or a cat won't necessarily attack a human.

    There really isn't anything you can do to change everyone's mind, but some people will change their mind. On the bright side it seems that younger people are less likely to believe that these kinds of dogs are a danger to humans, so maybe things will change in the next few decades? The issue that would still remain is the ignorance of the history of bull breeds and that their genetics can make them animal aggressive, and that there's nothing wrong with that when the owner knows how to properly handle their dog.
     
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  2. Nat Ursula

    Nat Ursula Good Dog

    Just wanted to update on the Akita who killed the volunteer who was working to socialize him. The volunteer was 68 yrs. old. She had 40 yrs. experience working with Akitas. She went to the boarding facility to finalize an adoption. Then she thought she would give this dog some socialization time before she headed home. This dog was relinquished to the Akita rescue because the people felt he was not safe to be around their small children. I guess he was nipping them or something. The dog should have been put down.
     
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  3. Worg

    Worg Little Dog

    That's not how it works anymore in the rescue world of 'save them all'.
     
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  4. GK1

    GK1 Puppy

    Any breed (even teacup poodle) under certain circumstances, for any multitude of reasons can viciously attack humans. However, Akitas - like bull, guardian, other working breeds have exponentially more physical power..with news making results unfortunately. I get that gamebred bred pit bulls by definition are not supposed to be man biters according to the standard, but it’s just not reality. Cull a proven campaign or producing dog because it bit someone? I don't buy it.
     
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  5. Nat Ursula

    Nat Ursula Good Dog

    Her husband said she was a very experienced handler and that they normally do not agree with putting the dogs down. However, he said dogs are like people, "there are good ones and bad ones." He said, ,"in this case the dog needs to be put down." It was sad too because he was waiting for his wife to come home and it was getting late. He found out about the attack while watching the news. They were married just short of 50 yrs.
     
  6. LeighAnn

    LeighAnn Little Dog Premium Member

    Just heart breaking. .. I hate to hear this. Thanks for following up with that situation. I agree with the man's statement , dogs are like people. . There are good ones and there are bad ones.. this particular dog should have been red flagged and put down.. I dont believe all rescues should be saved... all the while, I hate seeing a dog put down because they are over looked while the aggressive breed is kept and takes up shelter space.. that requires euthanasia of a perfectly adoptable dog.
     
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  7. Worg

    Worg Little Dog

    It's really too bad that these issues don't bring any attention to poor breeding, which is in my opinion what usually causes these unstable dogs. I have family members who talk about getting a dog for their kids to grow up with, they know nothing of reputable breeding practices and believe and at the same time will refuse to get an adult dog, to them a $300 puppy from the sales paper is a good choice. They don't realize that genetics play such a huge role and whether it be an adopted adult dog or a poorly bred puppy, both come with risks.
     
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  8. Nat Ursula

    Nat Ursula Good Dog

    True
     
  9. Novy

    Novy Little Dog Premium Member

    It should be a part of the lesson learned, but it would again be going toe to toe with the wide reaching ignorance of "it's all how you raise them".
     
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  10. Rezbull

    Rezbull Puppy

    I concur. Most people are totally unaware of the vast differences even within the reputable breeders. Genetic variants can be found vastly apart from another when even comparing the most docile types.
     
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  11. pitbulldogs

    pitbulldogs OHMUHGERD Staff Member Administrator Premium Member

    Im sure there are a few out there but they aren't on the end of a lead of a fur mom walking side by side. Out of all the dogmen i know, none will keep a man biter working stock or not, they all wind up culled period. So buy it or not, that is facts. Even if 10% keep them, the odds of these attacks being bulldogs is still slim to none.
     
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  12. Worg

    Worg Little Dog

    I just heard about the attack on an innocent bystander at a dog sporting event by TNFs Osy (not an APBT but still relevant), in the least the dog should have been neutered and never competed again, but not the case. Wouldn't call TNF 'dogmen', but I suppose it depends on who you ask. They are however a somewhat big name and represent the breed, and it's a shame they do it with a dog who is unsound.
     
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  13. ETRaven2

    ETRaven2 Big Dog

    I remember when that happened! I agree TNF are not dogmen.
     
  14. Mister

    Mister Little Dog

    I use to have this romantic view of things. GK1 is right there are very few active dogmen who would cull a proven performer or producer such as a Bullyson or Zebo just because it’s a manbiter. It never failed to surprise me the amount of famous dogmen who’s yards I visited in the past that had manbiters amongst their dogs.
    Sadly throughout the history of the breed there has been the odd rare manbiter that excelled at the sport and many were bred to/from as their fame spread.
    Even sadder is with all the peddling going on it’s way to easy for a fur mommy to get their hands on a gamebred bulldog.
     
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  15. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

    Chinaman was another supposedly manbiter.
     
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  16. pitbulldogs

    pitbulldogs OHMUHGERD Staff Member Administrator Premium Member

    Heard the same Chell, no proof as i wasn't there and id say 90% of the people who say that wasn't there either and im not commenting on anything other than history here as it is illegal but being around enough doggers now, it just wasn't practical to keep a man biter around. I guess if one is an idiot and wants to chance being in the box with a dog that could bite them or the other handler, that is on them but most i know and talk to wouldn't keep one no matter how game it is, how much mouth or ability it has, they simply won't keep them around. In fact it has been polled many times "will you keep a man biter" and the results are always like i stated, a select few will keep them the majority don't and i will still stand by my comment that over 90% or higher of these attacks are not bulldogs.
     
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  17. GK1

    GK1 Puppy

    Most dog bites in the US go unreported. Whether abused, neglected, bred, trained for violence (such as dogfighting) or not trained, disciplined or socialized at all, most-not all dogs regardless if ‘gamebred’ by a ‘reputable dogman’ have the potential to attack humans.

    Like the mainstream media, those who intentionally and knowingly breed and train dogs for use in the commission of a felony criminal offense in every US state aren’t the most credible information resources on this topic. I accept others see this different.
     
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  18. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    Question for anyone...have their been any stats/studies as to how many of these maulings were done by dogs who had been "rescued"?

    Honestly, overall, I don't think the whole "rescue" phenomenon -- and now industry -- has been good for dogs, especially the American Pit Bull Terrier.
     
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  19. Rezbull

    Rezbull Puppy

    I don't know of any reports centered on the shelter/rescue dog attack data. It's obvious looking at the past year alone that it's on the rise with every other rescuers blinded mission to save them all through "rehabilitation" which obviously has pretty narrow margins of success.
     
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  20. Mister

    Mister Little Dog

    I don’t get your point. You can’t judge any dog or breed by its potential to attack. You can only judge them on wheather they have or haven’t. It should always be about an individual dogs actions, deed not breed.
     
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