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IN: 23 arrested in breakup of dog-fighting ring

Discussion in 'Pit Bull News' started by JokerGirl, Aug 7, 2010.

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  1. Fieldmarshal

    Fieldmarshal Big Dog

    Anyone can rob and steal, is there any data to show that druggies do the most robbing and stealing? that druggies are responsible for the most home invasions? No. Gangs are the number one cause of criminal activity in the US, guess how they make their money?

    The most harmful aspects of drugs to society are due to the very laws that exist to protect society and rid it of drugs. Drugs are a addictive substance, as such, there will always be demand, hence there will always be people who will be willing to supply. After over 50 years, and over trillion dollars on war on drugs, what do we have, more drugs, more gangs, more addicts, more violence. It should be pretty obvious at this point that, hmmm, there is probably something wrong with this drug strategy.

    The drug trade and all the violence and gangs that goes with it are purely the creation of the war on drugs, drugs are the main source of income for criminal organizations, and lately even terrorists organizations like the Taliban.

    Legalizing would let drugs be controlled and regulated by the govt, not some violent drug syndicate. The govt could even use the money it gains from taxing drugs back to rehab drug addicts. The idea that, legalizing drugs would create more drug addicts is simply fallacious, look back at the prohibition era, alcohol becomes illegal, no change in the number of alcoholics, only a increase in crime thanks to all the gangs getting into illegal alcohol production, once prohibition was lifted, were there a explosion in the number of alcohol users? no.

    Drugs being illegal, cost us money for nothing, over populates the prison system with petty criminals, clogs up the justice system, burdens law enforcement, increases crime, gangs and violence. All because some idiot decides to do drugs and hurt himself. Drugs are definitely bad for you, but it being illegal is far more harmful to society than it being legal.
     
  2. davidfitness83

    davidfitness83 Good Dog

    Ok well english is not my first language let me see if I get your point correct, by the way I am serious I came to this country when I was 12.

    "the argument is not about drugs being harmful to individuals, which it is, but its not harmful to non drug users or society, hence the govt should have no business in banning their use. "

    So if they legallize drugs and stop chasing drug deelers etc.. pratically anyone that operates a vehicle, plain, boat, machinery could cause severe damage to people no?

    I am not sure if I understood your point but is this what you meant to say? that drugs don't affect non-drug users? Ex) If I need to get surgery and I dont do drugs but my surgeon does, wouldn't it be taking a serious risk to my health and the success of the surgery knowing that he could be high as hell when operating on me?
     
  3. CHASER71

    CHASER71 Puppy

    Ok you make a good point when u put that way and i do have to agree there should be stiffer sentences for child molester,rapist,& murders !plus if u legalize the price would go down therefor no need for the gangs & thieves !and no more drug violence
     
  4. Fieldmarshal

    Fieldmarshal Big Dog

    No sir, Alcohol is legal, yet drinking and driving isn't. You only legalize the component that affects you, once it starts affecting others, and becomes a public health risk, then the govt should be involved and rightfully so.

    If you are performing a task that affects others and being under the influence negatively impacts others, than there needs to be laws that prohibit usage under circumstances. Alcohol and tobacco are perfectly legal, but there are rules that prohibit the usage under circumstances. It would be the same under any drug. Your surgeon, cant be drunk while he operates on you right? So he cant be high either. Because being high or drunk affects the quality of work negatively and harms others, hence it should be banned under this circumstance. But using these substances in the comfort of your own living room affects no one else but yourself, thats when the government shouldn't be involved.

    Why do you think the government lifted prohibition on alcohol? It does not work, yet sucks in vast resources to enforce a unenforceable law, gangs and crime peaked, normally safe neighborhoods and cities turned into crime hotbeds, the prohibition era is the golden age for the American gangsters.

    One thing people need to realize is, one of the main reasons drugs were even initially banned has nothing to do with safety, but to do with corporate interests, racism and fear, tobacco and alcohol lobbies wanted to operate a monopoly, and other drugs challenged this.

    Legal History of American Marijuana Prohibition - Table of Contents

    Thanks to drugs being illegal, vast amount of resources are spent on drug users, drug dealers, and drug crime. We are talking billions of dollars here. If we can take all this money and time, and use it to catch other criminals, we would probably be one of the safest countries on earth. Since murder statistics show, most of the murders and shootings in the US, are due to gang violence.
     
  5. ShakaZ

    ShakaZ Good Dog

    *Sigh* Okay, your self righteous ass is right and we are wrong... you happy.
     
  6. maybe my OPINION about it was wrong.maybe people seeing dog fighting ring busted and seeing apbts on tv really makes people who think pitbulls are mean vicous dogs like them?umm i dont think so.it makes people question and ask why people would even want a dog like that.it also makes more people support bsl than it does make them turn away from it.sit there and think about what im saying before you say you have a problem with my "imo"
     
  7. My pit is Sasha

    My pit is Sasha Good Dog

    And based on your comments thus far that doesn't surprise me either.
     
  8. gh32

    gh32 Little Dog

    Because they're not American Hogdog Terriers,you breed that crap you change the breed.If you're a true fancier you like the original product and don't want to screw it up.

    Budboy 88 you're right on.Several people hate a guy matching a dog worse than murderers,thieves or rapist,their priorities are messed up.

    To answer a few of your comments David,here's how I see it.For starters I'll say it's not a good idea to be breaking the law anymore,not because I personally find it cruel but it's just not worth losing years of your life and time away from your family.But I think it's a bad law when you can't do what you want with your own property when it doesn't hurt anyone else.Much like smoking pot is illegal,I don't smoke,but if someone else does that's fine with me.They could be growing pot like Cheech and Chong and I don't care.I feel the same about the dogs.
    IMHO this world was a better place in the 1800s,before the pussification of america.
    Someone matching dogs is not a potential threat to society,you ever break a law before David(jaywalk,speed,spit on the sidewalk,maybe removed that tag from your mattress).Maybe homeland security should be checking you out.
    I think the law and society has all the respect it needs,alot of laws are kind of retarded and shouldn't be on the books.I guess everyone should be sheep and follow the leader.As I said,I don't break any laws regarding the dogs because it just is not worth it.But to call it a major crime like murder is ridiculious.It's a minor crime with a major penalty.I'm sure america has more important criminals out there.Tell me something David,since this is such a major crime.Would you rather be next door neighbors with Earl Tudor or Ted Bundy?Anyone that says it makes no difference to them or picks the serial killer is either crazy or a liar.

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    no,not until the last bulldog is gone and everybody owns the new and improved American Hogdog,Weightpull,Biscuit Eating Terrier:D Then and only then when he's desecrated the graves of Tudor,Carver,and all the rest of the old time dogmen will he be truly happy.LOL
     
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  9. simms

    simms Good Dog

  10. JokerGirl

    JokerGirl Big Dog

    I don't want to get in the middle of this argument, but the dogs do have a chance and will not be immediately PTS. The director of the Indianapolis Animal Care and Control is also the director of our local Indy Pit Crew, which is a "Pit Bull" education group here in the city that also does free speuter and microchips.

    It appears that once they are allowed, all 9 dogs will be going to a local rescue to be rehabbed and what not.

    I don't agree with dog fighting, but it has more to do with the people involved TODAY in dog fighting than the dogs or the act themselves. It seems that a good number of the busts that you see are thugs. This arrest appears to have been involved in drug and gang activity, neither of which is a a help to the area that the raid happened in.

    I wouldn't care if the animals were treated with the respect that they deserve, but in a lot of cases TODAY, it appears that they aren't because the people involved are, again, thugs. It doesn't have to be legal for the animals to get proper care. But, in a world where everything around us is disposable, it's just too easy to let the animals die of staph infections or other things.
     
  11. Sharonc

    Sharonc Puppy

    In addition to being an animal welfare issue, dog fighting is a child welfare issue. Adults involved in dog fighting often bring their children to watch. Children are further desentized to violence in an already violent society. According to authorities dog fighting is increasingly practised by gangs in low income areas.Cruelty investigators report individuals involved with dog fighting are also involved in gambling, drug dealing, illegal weapons and gangs,rackateering and prostition. and there is a correlations to serial killers. Jeffery Dahmer ...Boston Strangler ...Bundy....Richard Spec
     
  12. XXX

    XXX Good Dog

    Just add 20 more names in the book as victims of a snitch... as it has been said before loose lips sink ships. The act is illegal... but the simple fact that it is illegal for a property owner to do with their property on their own private property what they wish to do is ashame.... certainly not a proud day for people that value property owners' rights.
     
  13. gh32

    gh32 Little Dog

    I suppose the expert authorities you speak of would be HSUS,we know they're never wrong:rolleyes: Just because someone matches a dog does not mean they are involved in drugs or prostition,Since you mentioned prostituion,it should be legal for a woman to sell it if a man wants to buy it,another infringment by the government of a human's rights.And since you mentioned serial killers,tell us the correlation between Jeffery Dahmer,the Boston Strangler,Ted Bundy and Richard Spec and the sport of dog matching.I have studied most of the serial killers from Vlad the Impaler up to the curent day ones(I like history,nothing weird) and one thing I've found they all have in common is they DID NOT match dogs,so where's the correlation you mentioned?

    I agree 100%
     
  14. My pit is Sasha

    My pit is Sasha Good Dog

    I don't have all the answers, I haven't even figured out half of the questions. But I ask questions, I read things, I attempt to learn more than what the HSUS or the news media or some liberal educator fed me in a classroom.

    Amazing how many experts we have on what dog fighting is and who does it that have never once actually researched it or spent more than 2 seconds forming an opinion on what they think is right for everyone else.

    They may not like my views on it, but that's okay. It keeps them away from me. Unfortunately they still want to run my life to make themselves feel better about theirs.

    So many people facing laws that serve no other purpose than to make a few feel comfortable. Many of those laws aren't in any way actually protecting anyone, the laws are there to prevent others from doing things that make this or that group unhappy, or uncomfortable. Perhaps someday we can return the favor.
     
  15. simms

    simms Good Dog

    No they often do not bring their children to matches. An none of the above that you mentioned have ever been involved with gamedogs. correlation.....Bullshit! Media propaganda!

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    I agree. However it is illegal in alot of states for a DVM to knowingly treat an animal that has been engaged with dogfighting. So it is not as easy for some ppl to obtain or build a good trauma kit.

    An these ppl that got pinched. what was shown was a bottle of dex and some syringes. This doesn't even touch what well prepared experienced ppl will and should have. But a little dex is better than nothing....
     
  16. Oldoutlaw

    Oldoutlaw Puppy

    Pit Bull fighting is for losers

    After working with pit bulls for several months and having never had a problem, I thank the cops for executing this raid. I initially heard the story of the raid on the radio but didnt get all the story. I looked it up and found it on Pit Bull News. I noticed all the defendants are african american and no, I am not making this about race. The problem I have is that its a MISDEMEANOR under the Dept of Agriculture instead of a FELONY in the Penal code! The slobs, idiots and otherwise completely useless individuals who fight pit bulls do it for the money so they dont have to work. Every one of those defendants should serve 15 years minimum in a state prison. We really need to make Attending a dog fight, Providing property for a dog fight, and Fighting a dog all FELONIES, then it might make some impact!
     
  17. My pit is Sasha

    My pit is Sasha Good Dog

    WE do? When did I become part of your WE? WE (as a nation) should focus more on violent crimes such as rape, murder, child abuse, spousal abuse, and the list goes on. YOU should worry less about what someone else does with THEIR dog (THEIR property) on THEIR land (again THEIR property) since it really is none of your business and is not harming you (other than your feelings) in any way.

    Unless of course you are the dog's voice since they don't have one, in which case I'd like you to explain to me just when it was the dogs told you exactly what it was they wanted (considering they don't have a voice).
     
  18. simms

    simms Good Dog

    fighting dogs, so they do not have to work...LOL. That is ignorant! *shakes head laughing*
     
  19. CHASER71

    CHASER71 Puppy

    They make there first court hearing today just heard it on the news
     
  20. Budboy88

    Budboy88 Good Dog

    LMAO!!! you do realise that most if not all people who match dogs under Cajun Rules work atleast one full time job?? Im not talking about ghetto scum and white trash fighting dogs in every back ally and house in the woods they can find, I mean people actually doing it right. The last time i checked this was America the land of the free, if thats so true then why the hell should people be punished for what they do with THEIR PROPERTY while on their OWN PROPERTY??
     
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