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I'm seriously confused- is my dog a Pit Bull or an American Bully?

Discussion in 'American Bully' started by Arrowhead, Apr 11, 2008.

  1. Arrowhead

    Arrowhead Good Dog

    That was gonna be my next question...how long ago did American Bullies come onto the scene? I know it was said 10 yrs. ago, but is that when they were first seen? That was the other part of my mom and I's discussion...whether or not a breed could be changed that fast.

    I don't know, this is an interesting topic and everyone has their own point of view on it.
     
  2. BlueRose_Kennel

    BlueRose_Kennel Little Dog

    Dave Wilson started the RE line in 1990, that's been almost 20 years now. The thing about the RE line is, like I said earlier, it still produces some very nice dogs; that is it does not consistantly produce the massive hippo bullies that it is so famous for. IMO that kind of a change could happen in 10+ years.
     
  3. Boogieman

    Boogieman Guest

    it doesn't produce consistently because so many different people have produced dogs under the razors edge name, and all of them are not honest breeders........i.e. mixed other breeds in.....plain and simple. It's usually obvious when you're looking at them. Like I said I don't know if Nick has any other breed mixed in him. The only thing I don't like about him as an APBT is he's "lippy". Although I've seen plenty of APBT's that were lippy also. Other than that I think he's pretty much to standard.
     
  4. Arrowhead

    Arrowhead Good Dog

    Well, like I said...it's sad that what was once good has gone down the road it has. And I'm sure there will continue to be different points of view on the subject. It's just a real shame that there are breeders out there that don't keep dogs true. It's irksome to know that I could very well have a designer mutt with a pedigree. Oh well, I love her no matter what and wouldn't trade her for the world and that's all that matters to me.
     
  5. maryellen

    maryellen Good Dog

    well hell boogieman just send Nick to me.... i dont care if he is a RE dog down the line , he is a SPLENDID dog if i do say so myself.....:D
     
  6. Boogieman

    Boogieman Guest

    Not in a million years maryellen! :p:p:D
     
  7. maryellen

    maryellen Good Dog

    oh darn.. at least i tried..:D
     
  8. BlueRose_Kennel

    BlueRose_Kennel Little Dog

    Mabey I'm opening a can of worms here but I got to thinking about something last night that made me very curious. So many people are quick to attack the RE dogs, calling them mutts and what not but what about the other very prominent American Bully bloodline: Gottiline? The Gottiline bullies are physicly identical to the RE bullies but no one is alleging anykind of breed mixing there. Gottiline has used just as much (if not more) inbreeding as RE and IMO is producing the exact same kind of dog and just as inconsistantly. These two bloodlines developed independently of each other but by using the same method (inbreeding) both lines are producing the same kind of dogs. I should also add that I have seen some horrific bully dogs that were ADBA registered. I know next to nothing about ADBA lines but I have mistaken more than one ADBA APBT for a RE/Gottiline bully. Just curious to hear other people's oppinions on this?
     
  9. CoolHandJean

    CoolHandJean Krypto Super Dog

    I have spoken some S*** on the Gotti line lol.

    Then when you get Nick, you can send me Ruby. lol.
     
  10. bahamutt99

    bahamutt99 Stealth ninja

    Err... I've heard people say a few times that Gotti looked like an English Bulldog mix. Knowledgeable APBT folk generally have no love for dogs like Gotti.
     
  11. Arrowhead

    Arrowhead Good Dog

    No, I have heard the Gottiline attacked too. Though, no where near as much as the RE line. I think the reason for that is what Dave Wilson said about bulldogs being added to create American Bullies, and then went on to say that wasn't the only breed that went into creating them, when before this statement, though people had their suspicions, all that was being said about the American Bullies (by the Bully people that is) is that they were developed from AmStaffs and APBTs and bred for a certain type. Because Dave Wilson developed the RE line and then said what he did, I think that's why the RE line has been attacked more so than the other lines used by Bully breeders.
     
  12. AmberH

    AmberH Good Dog Premium Member

    I just read every post in this topic. I find it very interesting. I really have nothing to add, but thought I'd post any way.

    I'm not a fan of American Bullies, but to each his own. I just don't appreciate AmBullies being called APBTs. Because, obviously, they aren't.

    On a side note, I find the genetic talk very exciting. I took a 9 week genetics class not too long ago. So, I finally understand some of this!
     
  13. camel 1984

    camel 1984 Puppy

    hello

    Hey i am from Greece i think you made the most current movement than you can... you bought the greatest dog for company at home... you will see... just wait for him/her to grow up and you will see that... He/she is going to bee your best friend... but please keep him/her away of fighting... be well.
    [sorry for my English i am from Greece and i don't speak very well your language ] be well again...!!!!!:D
     
  14. TB68

    TB68 Puppy

    My understanding is that the American bullie is not pure bred. This is due to the dogs having a large percentage of English Bulldog and Neopolitan mastiff in there parentage. English Bulldog for Hieght and size and Neo for Colour (Blue, Mahogany etc) and Size(weight).
    If you study the photos carefully you can still see traiats of these breeds in their dogs..

    I cannot see the piont of this breeding programme at all due the severe health problems of the bulldog and neo.
     
  15. Suzie

    Suzie Puppy

    How about some pictures, I would love to see your little puppy, babies are so cute no matter what they are!
     
  16. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    There is NOTHING official about the "American Bully". APBT owners are trying to get them to develop a registry, register dogs which meet the Standard of what they want and then register only dogs which meet that standard.

    It can take YEARS and I really see no indication of American Bully owners being serious about wanting to do that. They do still want to be seen as APBTs (and their papers say that IS what they are). One of their arguments is that if Am Stafs can be registered as APBTs, then THEIR dogs are APBTs as well. And it their overdone dogs can get championships as UKC Pits, then they are APBTs (some really BAD judging going on if these dogs are getting conformation championships!). Hopefully, the new UKC Standard will put a stop to that.

    So, it's all very confusing as there is not officially a BREED known as "American Bully". So, it's very confusing to newcomers. They are APBTs by parentage, but certainly not by type. They are very poorly bred APBTs in many instances, but that happens in many breeds and those poor representatives can still be registered as that breed. Thing is, these Bullies are SO bad, SO against what the breed is, that APBT people want to see that they aren't even registered as APBTs. But there are issues there..

    So, for now, these, UKC-registered bully-looking dogs ARE technically APBTs; BUT they are so DIFFERENT that there is a movement to get them to separate. About the only thing UKC can do is NOT reward these "bullies" in the show ring and they are endeavoring to do this with the new additions to the APBT Standard.

    To the OP - register your dog. The way you are describing her, she doesn't sound like what is being called American Bullies. Register her and just see what happens. Show her if she's good enough...

    Carla
     
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  17. screamin'eagle

    screamin'eagle Good Dog

    I agree with most of the rest of your post, but there is in fact a dedicated registry for the American Bully...complete with its own stud books, standard, events, etc. etc. I'd call that official, and I look foward to see what happens with the UKCs update to their American Pit Bull Terrier Standard I am just very cautious about the ability of registries to change a standard on a whim...its definately not in regard to stewardship of a pure breed.

    http://www.abkcdogs.org/
     
  18. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    So, American Bullies are papered as such and as no other breed; and when they breed them they are called ONLY American Bullies?


    I somewhat agree, because judges should know without being micro-managed by the Standard that the "bully" style is totally incorrect for the breed. How and why these dogs are getting championships is beyond me and the judges who do it are wrong. How they were interpreting the UKC Standard to fit these dogs into is it beyond me. Standards are not meant to be used by themselves. History and knowledge of structure that best fits original function is vital as well...

    Carla
     
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  19. screamin'eagle

    screamin'eagle Good Dog

    yes and no...as this is a fairly new movement. Currently, dogs previously registered as APBT or AST (UKC/ABDA/AKC and I don't know about lesser registries) that fit their standard are "registerable". If one was to register a litter though from the ABKC would, for the purposes of that registry, be called only American Bullys. Of course that doesn't clean up the issue from the UKC/ABDA/AKC side, but it does leave a means of cleaning this issue up. A dog could still be "dual registered" ABKC and UKC for example, but according to these studs books would be an American Bully. It is then (and I think that is what the UKC is doing) the owner/ other registrys responsibility to solve the issue on their end...clear as mud I know, but is an avenue for righting a wrong IMO both from the bully fancier and the American Pit Bull Terrier's perspective.

    I fully agree with the rest of your post
     
  20. CoolHandJean

    CoolHandJean Krypto Super Dog

    The AADR is going to be registering American Bullies as American Bullies.

    Part of me thinks it's a good idea. Part of me is unsure. Constant struggles in my head. lol.
     

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