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I'm confused about this site....

Discussion in 'General Dog Discussions' started by pam, Jun 6, 2010.

  1. Lee D

    Lee D Good Dog

    i love the breed, but Blue Heelers are a hardcore working dog first, gotta have a job. that doesnt suprise me one bit.
     
  2. omgrobyn

    omgrobyn GRCH Dog

    The way I see it is, if the dog turns out to be a unstable mess, it's not it's fault, it's the people who bred it. Odds are it was a good dog until the bite incident. And if it wasn't, well it should have been put down long before that.

    But I'll get back to you on this if one of my dogs bites someone. Hopefully that will never happen.
     
  3. Adania

    Adania Puppy

    Who do you consider to be part of the general public? Aren't we all??

    I'm at least part of the "general public". 18 months ago, I knew very little about pit bulls. When I went to my local shelter to pick out a new dog, I had no specific breed in mind, and when I met Chooie, I immediately fell in love with her. Her breed had nothing to do with me adopting her, it was her personality. I was a typical member of the "general public" and I don't think Chooie would be better off with anyone else. I think it's good that lots of people are becoming interested in the breed, and we shouldn't deny them the experience of owning these wonderful dogs. But we SHOULD require them to know what they're getting into before they just run out and adopt one. (My local shelter required a home inspection, and strongly urged me to take a class with a trainer experienced with the breed.)

    I also agree that we need to keep these dogs away from more bad press. But the people on these message boards asking for help are not our enemies. They need advice, they don't need anyone making them feel foolish. And if they are unlucky enough to have an unstable dog that requires being put down (which is difficult for any of us to judge through an on-line forum), then let's at least show some compassion for them. I don't think "put it down" is always the answer, it's a difficult decision to make, but sometimes it is necessary. I would think that a forum of dog-lovers would show some compassion for something that we all know is difficult.

    And if you really think some of these dogs need put down, do you really think you're being persuasive with all the "kill it" comments?? You're just insulting people and driving them away, instead of giving them the advice they're looking for.

    Shakaz... this all wasn't directed towards you personally, but to a lot of comments I've read in these threads. Just don't want you to think I'm picking on you :).
     
  4. ShakaZ

    ShakaZ Good Dog

    You'll learn about me Adania, no offense but it doesn't matter if it was directed at me or not... Yes you are or were part of the GP that I am talking about... those would be the people who knows nothing about the breed goes out one day and comes home with one and THEN decides oops I better do some reading up and learning about this animal I'm feeding... or the ones that come on all surprised like that their dog attacked another dog while at the dog park... yeah that would be the GP, and you'll come to know that I am totally against the GP learning about and wanting one of these dogs... if it was up to me I'd keep em all out of y'all's hands.
     
  5. APBTlover09

    APBTlover09 GRCH Dog

  6. ShakaZ

    ShakaZ Good Dog

    An APBT should NOT bite a human... those that do are called manbiters and should be put down... these dogs are very intense in everything they do and if they go after a human with the same intensity they would go after another dog there is no compassion and no love lost when that animal ceases to breathe (before the sunsets hopefully.) but then I'm not a "fur parent" so maybe I see things a little differently than some of y'all. Every APBT I've come in contact with (either owned or worked with/around) have all heard this same speech from me (I know they can't understand it but still, LOL) "if you ever get tired of breathing just put your teeth on me and I'll take care of that problem for you, EVER"
     
  7. Zoe

    Zoe GRCH Dog

    OMG! I know! I have an old friend from way back with two mutts, BOTH of which have bitten BOTH her kids and she just laughs it off and says the kids deserve it. :eek: Like seriously... if your kids DO deserve it than you aren't doing your part as a parent to teach them how to treat dogs. This from the same person who let her two ''pit bulls'' run around at large in a major city regularly until they finally got a hold of another dog and were tug o waring with it and they both got put down by AC. :mad: Funny thing was, when they came out to visit, and we were all watching my dogs spring pole, their grandpa was a little worried and told the kids to back up, my friend said "Don't worry dad, HER dogs are 100% solid with people especially kids. She won't have a dog that bites a person." I've got weird freakin' friends. We avoid the ''dog talk'' as she knows I'll just start loosing it on her. :no2:
     
  8. Adania

    Adania Puppy

    If you tried to keep pit bulls out of everyone's hands except a select few, you'll just create more fear and confusion about the dogs.

    Chooie personally changed the opinions of at least 10 family members/friends of mine that initially thought I was crazy for adopting a pit bull. "Aren't they mean?" "Don't they bite??" Now because of the fact that I adopted her, you have about 10 less enemies walking around. They would never adopt one of their own because they don't like the DA aspect, but they absolutely adore Chooie.

    My husband and I had plenty of experience with dogs, but yes we had absolutely no experience with pit bulls. But we did make sure that we knew what we were getting into before we brought her home, and I don't think she's in the wrong hands at all. I'm a very responsible owner.

    I do agree that these dogs aren't right for everyone, but if anyone wants to put in the time and learn how to properly care for one, why would you want to deny them that?? Are you that judgmental that you seriously think only you're capable of caring for one? No one is born knowing how to care for these dogs, it's something we've all learned one way or another.
     
  9. Zoe

    Zoe GRCH Dog

    In my mind, someone who keeps a human aggressive dog IS my enemy and an enemy to the breed. I'm not here to be compassionate towards people. I'm here to save my breed. That's it. Nothing more. Well, ok... maybe to shoot the shit with some like minded people. :lol:
     
  10. ShakaZ

    ShakaZ Good Dog

    No, I don't think I'm the only one who is capable, there are a few others, Lee is capable, Zoe, APBTLover, mags (maybe, lol), there are many who are... BUT I am of the opinion that if these dogs had never gotten into the GP's hands in the first place they wouldn't be in the mess they're in today. I personally do not belive "changing minds one at a time by showing them how fluffy and cute they are" is the way to go... it's just gonna get some fur mommy into trouble and they'll be on the news saying they never would have thought THEIR dog would do something like that because he had "never did it before" and he must have just "snapped" after said dog took another dog in its mouth and shook the hell out of it. CLOSE THE CIRCLE. Is a saying I wholeheartedly agree with and am doing my part to accomplish.
     
  11. Zoe

    Zoe GRCH Dog

    If they were only in the hands of a select few, people would forget about them. There'd be some other ''flavor of the day'' people could obsess about and they'd fade into the background. Everywhere you look, there's some new pit bull crap on TV or some ''Save The Bullies'' group on Facebook, and all it does is attract more people to the breed and get the haters more riled up. For every ten people who decide maybe they aren't that bad, there are ten idiots running out to get one because of all the ''good press'' and messing up with them because they didn't do any REAL research and creating 100 more haters! THAT's what I see going on.
     
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  12. ShakaZ

    ShakaZ Good Dog

    Thanks, Superdogwoman, good post as usual.
     
  13. x3rd this
     
  14. APBTlover09

    APBTlover09 GRCH Dog

    as the saying goes CLOSE THE CIRCLE!!
     
  15. ShakaZ

    ShakaZ Good Dog

    On my yard it don't matter the reason for the bite, just that it occurred bite= free chainspot for a non manbiter.
     
  16. Zoe

    Zoe GRCH Dog

    This is a post off our local media after a bunch of American Bullies were confiscated by some neglectful moron poor excuse for a breeder. This IS typical of what hands our breed is in. I bet they got the idea to get a ''pit bull'' due to all the ''good press'' they heard....


    Funny, they didn't post MY comment up on the site but instead moderated it. :rolleyes:
     
  17. Adania

    Adania Puppy

    People who have human aggressive dogs, and do nothing about it, are your enemies. If they're here asking for help, they're not entirely irresponsible. It is possible to reverse (if it was a learned behavior that the owner inadvertently passed on). I know there are unstable dogs that the best answer is to just put down, but why does it have to be the first answer??

    You won't save the breed by convincing the general public that all pit bull owners are a bunch of precocious @ssholes. They need educated, not put down.
     
  18. ShakaZ

    ShakaZ Good Dog

    Let's see 1 1/2... that would be.... 18 months... yep age is about right for it to turn on. It was just doing what bulldogs do. "oh my pibble wibble poo poo wouldn't hurt a fly." LOL. Maybe not a fly but it'll shake the hell out of another dog.

    ---------- Post added at 07:26 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:24 PM ----------

    *SIGH* Okay let's see if you can understand this equation.... HA APBT= UNSTABLE. We are not talking about any other breed here. Just like a pointer that wants to go to ground like a terrier would be unstable FOR THAT BREED.
     
  19. Adania

    Adania Puppy

    Well... I regret to inform you that most likely, when I adopt again it will probably be a pit bull.
     
  20. Jazzy

    Jazzy GRCH Dog

    Oooh dear; I'm probably your worst nightmare then...A GP fur mommy who read up on everything before getting the dog and then decided that...yeppers! This is definitly the dog for me. :D

    (Of course I have one of those hybrid UKC APBT's...so not technically a real pit bull at all).

    But I have to say for being a GP fur mommy - I think I educated myself very well. I think I'm a damn fine dog owner. I understand and respect genetics and breed. I train my dog every day. I keep my dog constantly socialized. I don't allow my dog to have off leash interaction with other dogs (not because she's a pit bull, but because she can't handle it...which I was able to deduce before she even tried to bite another dog - meaning, she has never tried to bite another dog) ; but I do train my reactive dog to be well behaved around dogs, I do rally and agility and I never leave my dog unsupervised (mainly because she is so awesome that someone would steal her at the first available opportunity :o).

    Howver in all the reading I did; I also educated myself quite a bit on general non-breed specific dog behavior, how dog's learn and training techniques...and it was through all of this that I cannot accept that pit bulls are so drastically different from other dogs that they don't exhibit the same general behaviors, psychology and learn in the same way.

    Do pit bulls tend to be human friendly? Oooh yeah!! The pit bulls I have met couldn't wait to say "hello" and shower me with affection; whereas lets say the dobermans I have met...could not have been less interested in me. Does being human friendly mean that the dog won't respond like a normal, typical dog in a variety of situations...I just can't make that leap of logic. Being human friendly has nothing to do with resource guarding, nothing to do with food aggression, nothing to do with giving a corrective nip or getting aggravated after being poked in the eye for the thousandth time. Being human friendly does not imply that the dog is above or separate from the laws of learning: classical and operant conditioning. If you can teach a dog to pee outside you can also teach less desireable behaviors...if you don't know that that's what you're actually doing.

    So while we're never gonna see eye to eye; I still don't think I do all that bad for a GP fur mommy - my dog is safe, secure and all you'll ever hear about her is what I tell you - which is that she is awesome. :D
    The GP is always going to have these dogs (the horse is out of the barn) - the only thing you have left to protect your breed (imo) is to try to help educate the GP on how to do right by their dogs. It would be nice if the people with all the experience chose to share it in the service of trying to help others become better dog owners; instead of taking the position that the "GP is too stupid to be educated". There is allot of diversity within the GP.
     

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