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I have a tough choice to make about Serenity

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ReneeMcDougal

Good Dog
I agree with most here. It is honestly the right thing, a hard choice...but the right one. If I recall correctly a few months (maybe more then a few?) ago you asked what you should do and were given this answer and opted against it. Whatever you decide is really in your hands but you know how most of us feel. Good Luck.
 

Boogieman

Good Dog
Premium Member
Part of me is about the wanting but the other half is the safety of family and her fear towards so many things. Part of me thinks I will slip up with her again.

I really can't justify the other thing I want to say but I do see what you're saying and it's a thing I'm thinking about.
So the dog has bit somebody already? Honestly, I don't know what you're waiting for, but I'm glad you don't live in the USA. We have enough bad press here and you're going to fuck around and get somebody hurt. Put the dog down already and be done with it.

All you people can sugar coat this shit all you want. Fearful dogs DON'T EVER get over that shit. They are born with it. It isn't a lack of socialization, or anybody failing them, or any other factors. It happens, period! The dogs never going to get better. Take it from somebody who worked with one for over a year. Yours has already bit somebody and next time it might just be an outright mauling. No dog on the planet is worth that risk and you're failing all of society by keeping it around. That's who you're failing!

For fucks sake people grow a set.
 

Jazzy

GRCH Dog
My suggestion would be to do some real soul searching.

If you truely feel that Serenity is a danger to others and a liability that you are incapable of managing, then I guess you have your answer.

If any part of your assessment of the situation is based on the fact that Serenity is not the dog you want, not the dog that is convenient, not the dog you can enjoy (i.e. dog sports and public walks) then I would suggest you take a step back and reconsider...because you are going to have to live with the decision, and you are going to know in your heart then reason behind the decision (because none of us know Serenity. If you tell us she's dangerous, we'll say kill her; if you tell us you can manage her, we'll defer to your judgement).

If you do decide to put Serenity to sleep I hope the next dog you get won't be a pit bull type dog. I know some of them are dog friendly; but still if your main priority is definitely being able to do dog sports and public walks (and you're going to be disappointed if you can't) ...then a pit bull is a bad gamble.
 

Tahlz

Good Dog
Thanks for you're reply.

I honestly think I will slip up, I am still at that stage where I make these mistakes and it scares me. I've seen what she'll do and what she'll try to do. I want to say, I'll %100 be on my guard but that's not me all the time.

Yes, I want a dog I can do sports with but that isn't the biggest concen. It's the fact I want to take my dog out and not worry about a person being aimed at by Serenity.

I want a SBT and I know they can get DA. I accepted if the dog got DA, it happens. I can live with that more then having a dog trying to bite a person.

I just don't fully trust myself with her.

I have a few months to decide.. Or as long as I want. I am going to put a lot of thought into this. It isn't a light decision. It's hard to think of me going to put her down.. I don't want to. I'm not sure what to do.

As much as I don't want to deal with her people issues, I still adore everything else about her and that makes it harder to want to let her go. She's so loved.. So I don't know.
 

Elliehanna

GRCH Dog
I think its her time, I think of it as a woman that is about to have a baby, and think of the fact that when I do I might have to have someone watch my dogs for me. I fear that Goren being so protective that he might be aggressive to anyone even family he knows (he barked at the inlaws yesterday and he has seen them regularly for months) and it scares the crap outa me.

I know your not in that situation, but also that your dog already has the FA and has touched skin. I would just be so scared something would happen to you and the person that comes to try to take care of her will get bit, or they would have to have her pts and you would not be able to say goodbye.

I always like to think of both sides, that is the half empty, here is the half full

If you do let her go run free on the bridge you open your life to a new dog, one that does not have FA and that you can do all the stuff you want to do with. You also are letting Serenity be free of her fears and at peace which she is not at now. You will take a big stressor off your shoulders and fear off them too, you will feel guilty yes, but you would be doing the right thing by your dog and the relief of knowing she is free and not scared anymore will take so much off your back you cannot imagine.
 

Flatbedder

Good Dog
I'm with lovepup especially since tahiz said she is getting another dog that she wants and even in this post , she said she didntvwantbher cause she couldnt do sports and junk. I had a fa dog and I worked with him till he was getting a whole lot better. The only way I'll say put her to sleep is if shescscared of her own shadow. And just don't have her around people. If your family can get close enough to Feed her, she isnt that bad or dangerous. I know for a fact though that if you are scared, the dog will pick up on it and act accordingly. I've had people just come up and just start playing with Star and he was fine. Others, you could tell they were scared and it got star doing his talking and they weren't able to pet him. I think you are being selfish cause I think you want the perfect dog and just want to get rid of serentity yo do that.
 

Tiffany3483

Good Dog
My first Amstaff was fearful at times, very unpredictable. With me and my Mother he was perfectly fine, but you could never say how he was going to go with a stranger. We had him neutered, went to training, had the vet check him out and nothing was physically wrong. We managed him for a time and then he ended up biting my friends little girl. He liked her and had never had an issue with her. He knew she was in the house, had played with her, then he walked into another room, turned back, acted like he had never seen her before and started growling and charged and grabbed her leg. He thankfully didn't break skin, just a bruise. But we had put down. While I cried for a long time. There was no point to keeping him alive when you couldn't trust him. He was showing signs earlier and we should have had him put down then, but I was young- 17 and he was my baby. Now, I would have had him put down sooner. I guess I've gotten a litter harder on my dogs since him. I do not deal with fearful dogs. There are too many bomb proof dogs to have a dog you can't trust.
 

CelticKarma

Good Dog
Well said Boogie......

Further more it is no ones business if she gets another dog, hell I had Rocky put down three years ago for HA and got 12 more dogs. That is the beautiful thing about freedom. This dog has bitten a human that is all the reason I would need to give it a dirt nap...period end of story......

Tahlz.....You do what needs to be done for YOU and the dog and never allow anyone to make you feel guilty for putting down a man biter! Your the one who lives with this issue not me and not them and there is not a damn thing wrong with doing what is best for you and your family. You did not fail the dog sometimes no matter what some are just not wired right and setting them free from that is better for everyone and the breed. ~hugs~
 

destinoscelgo

Good Dog
the issue is that the dog is unstable. She is not mentally sound which leads to a crappy quality of life IMO. If Tahlz cant trust the dog then she should be put to sleep. It is selfish of her to keep serenity alive for her own sake. If she wants a dog she can go to sports with then she should go and get the appropriate dog if that is her wish.

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LilianaLove

GRCH Dog
I think she needs to own up to responsibility. Again, i think she is making it sound worse then what it is so that we tell her to just put the dog to sleep so she can get another dog and fail it. Keep what you got. I would advise getting a kennel and keeping her in it and only taking her out when you know only you will be out there. you can still love and play with her. Your job is to make her life as much comfortable as possible.

I think you're making a lot of assumptions. This dog has already proven it will bite if put in the position to. This dog lives a life of constant anxiety and fear. Does that sound like a good quality of life to you? Making life as comfortable as possible at this point is putting the dog down.

Doing what's best for a dog is not failing the dog, it's being a responsible dog owner. People that DON'T put down FA dogs, especially FA dogs that have previously bitten people and are not sure that they are comfortable keeping that dog and keeping it from doing it again, are the people failing their dogs, because you can sure as hell bet if that dog bites the wrong person it'll end up at the wrong end of a needle and it WON'T be the OP's choice. Would you rather have that say, or have that dog live longer in a state of anxiety, then live a couple weeks holed up in AC, then get put down by strangers without its owner there?
 

Adrianne

Big Dog
Don't you live out in the middle of no where where it is ideal to keep a dog with environmental issues? Also, I forget, did you ever take this one to a good dog handler/trainer/behaviorist (if they exist where you are?) are you sure you're not putting unfair expectations on a dog that is normally aloof, comfortable with a bite, and not ideal for a social lifestyle (ie a hard edged herding or guarding bred dog)?

Of course it is up to you and what you can handle but if I had the luxury of living in a secluded area I wouldn't put down my dog because it was unable to fulfill my sporting desires.

The beauty of dogs is how workable they tend to be when the owner is committed, I love seeing my clients dogs go from unsure to accepting. I would hate for people to miss out on that opportunity without giving it a valid shot.
 

SBTlove

Good Dog
The dog has bit before, which means in all likely hood she will do it again. That is the tradgedy of a fear biter. I've been there and with all the training in the world it just doesn't get better. You could consult a behaviorist first just for you own peace of mind, that way you can say and know you did everything you could if she can't be helped. However she is probably just a ticking time bomb and its only a matter of time before it happens again. You have to start thinking about the people around you, your family, your friends, your neighbors. They deserve to be safe.

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I wanted to add, only you will know when the right time is. Only you will know if its the right decision. We are not there. We are not there to witness the behavior. We can give you suggestions but we can't tell you what to do. You have to know in your heart of hearts what the right decision is, you have to figure that out and then you have to make that decision. Only you can make that decision.

But we are here to help you through whatever decision you make
 

JShumate

Little Dog
Op do the right thing there is no place for a dog that will bite a human it's the right thing put the dog down

Now as for lovepup your freaking retarded for trying to get this person to give the dog a chance the dog has had it's chance at life and it blew it, once the dog bite a human that was it the dog should be gone right there like said before there is no place in this world for a dog who will bite a human and if you feel like said dog should be given another chance then you have no place in this breed for sure, better yet you have no business owning a dog period now stop giving the op shit about it so that the op will do the right thing
 

Atheist

Good Dog
You know the answer and it is not the dog that is fearful it is you. Sometimes you have to man up and do what is necessary for yourself, the dog and the safety of others. No excuses, and nobody can resolve the issue in your own conscience.

The only real problem with dogs is that they don't live long enough. Dealing with their death is part of every dog owners experience at one time or another. Nobody who has had dogs as part of their life for any real length of time is immune from the aspect of putting a dog they love down when the time comes. That time comes for many reasons of which only one is old age. Whether you dog suffers from illness, injury, neglect, old age or mental issues the key word is SUFFERS. The cause of your dog's suffering is not as important as the fact that your dog suffers and as its owner, it is your job to end the suffering. Even if that makes your life temporarily unpleasant. You do not have the right to put other at risk for the sake of your own inability to take the proper action for that only you can really determine. Accept the responsibility, it can't be determined by the advice of others. Try to remember if you do decide to do what is necessary, your will only be making room for another dog that deserves a pleasant life that you can obviously provide. It is the cycle of life.
 
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Mollie's Nana

Krypto Super Dog
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Well said Boogie......

Further more it is no ones business if she gets another dog, hell I had Rocky put down three years ago for HA and got 12 more dogs. That is the beautiful thing about freedom. This dog has bitten a human that is all the reason I would need to give it a dirt nap...period end of story......

Tahlz.....You do what needs to be done for YOU and the dog and never allow anyone to make you feel guilty for putting down a man biter! Your the one who lives with this issue not me and not them and there is not a damn thing wrong with doing what is best for you and your family. You did not fail the dog sometimes no matter what some are just not wired right and setting them free from that is better for everyone and the breed. ~hugs~

Good post Celtic... I agree 100%. Sometimes, dogs just aren't wired right.... more than likely, from bad dogs being bred that should have never been bred. For whatever reason, sometimes, it just happens. Be responsible for the breed, do what needs to be done, and move on from that.

You can't hang onto the past, and all the "shoulda, coulda, woulda's" aren't going to change what's going on now with this dog. Acknowledge what's happening with this dog, learn from it, and move on. As long as you learn from this, and this experience makes you a better owner, then it's not all lost in vein. Life's about learning from your lessons, and some of those lessons are extremely difficult and painful, but in the end, you learn something from them. Serenity will always be a part of your life, let the love you have for her make you a better dog owner in the future, and I'm not saying that like I mean you did something wrong... I've learned valuable lessons from every dog I've ever owned, and I've promised the two that I had to say good bye to that I would be a better dog owner in their memory, that I would take what they had taught me in life, and I would teach it to the next dog that came my way.

I've only had to say goodbye to two, and Maxx was the most recent. I promised him as he was laying on that table that I would take in another dog like I had him, and show it a good life. I adopted him from the HS when he was 2-3 years old, and he had a good 11 years with me. It was hard to tell the vet to put that needle in his vein, but I knew it had to be done... for different reasons. He was bleeding internally and suffering, and he had been too good of a dog for him to have to suffer for one minute. Maybe it was a different reason for putting him down, but the pain of losing them hurts just the same, regardless of the reason. :hug:
 

JRSPITS

Big Dog
First of all you didn't fail this dog. Fear aggression can be worked with but it never goes away. If a dog was physically suffering, it would be pts. When a dog is mentally suffering many people want to "fix it", its not possible. Can we manage it, yes, but that doesn't mean the dog is living a happy and peaceful life. When we choose to get a dog, we take on the responsibility of giving it a good life and that doesn't always mean 15 years of playtime. We have the responsibility of saying enough is enough.

There is nothing harder than looking your dog in the eyes and knowing they are suffering and you need to end it for them. I've done it three times for fear/aggression issues and it never gets easier. That first moment when you look at your dog after you made the decision is the hardest. Knowing you're doing the right thing and they'll finally be at peace is the only thing that helps.

Boog is right though, you need to do this for the dog and the safety of the people around it.
 

HerWay

Good Dog
Tahlz I haven't read any of your post where you state what is going on with Serenity but I do remember not to long ago this post you made....

"I know this is towards a dog but my Kelpie x would growl at any dogs that would try and come close to me/my bag. With humans she isn't like that but she does try to force herself between me and who ever I'm with if she's with me. I can't offer advice bit that may be a option."

So she bit someone after this post?
Now like I said I missed your post about her biting someone so I can't give advice.
Can you explain what actually happened with that bite?
I would be the first here to offer advice of putting down a dog who bites a human.
Serenity is the kelpie mix correct?



 

JakesMom5332

Little Dog
Based on what I'm reading here, it seems that you know what should be done under the circumstances. But, you also feel that by making the choice that seems to be best for the dog and you, you are somehow failing. First I want to remind you of something I posted once before that my father told me. "There are some souls in this world for which life is for whatever reason too painful. It is your responsibility to help them move on to a happier place."

Second, stop and think about this.... If you do not put her down, what will be her quality of life? Will she end up crated day in and out? Will her out time be limited to mere potty breaks? AND will this quality of life make her issues worse?

Only you can make that determination, and decision. I personally would never judge anyone who finds themselves in this position. I wish you the best and hope that you will come to terms with whatever decision you choose.
 

PrettyPitty

Good Dog
So the dog has bit somebody already? Honestly, I don't know what you're waiting for, but I'm glad you don't live in the USA. We have enough bad press here and you're going to fuck around and get somebody hurt. Put the dog down already and be done with it.

All you people can sugar coat this shit all you want. Fearful dogs DON'T EVER get over that shit. They are born with it. It isn't a lack of socialization, or anybody failing them, or any other factors. It happens, period! The dogs never going to get better. Take it from somebody who worked with one for over a year. Yours has already bit somebody and next time it might just be an outright mauling. No dog on the planet is worth that risk and you're failing all of society by keeping it around. That's who you're failing!

+1 Well said.
 

kamikaze

Good Dog
I think she needs to own up to responsibility. Again, i think she is making it sound worse then what it is so that we tell her to just put the dog to sleep so she can get another dog and fail it. Keep what you got. I would advise getting a kennel and keeping her in it and only taking her out when you know only you will be out there. you can still love and play with her. Your job is to make her life as much comfortable as possible.


Did you not just say that YOU put Snows brother down for DOG AGGRESSION???? lol.. hmmm..
 
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