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I don't know what else to do please help

Discussion in 'Training & Behavior' started by ziggypit, Apr 13, 2011.

  1. ziggypit

    ziggypit Puppy

    I have a 16 week old pitmix puppy who we're having a lot of problems with. He won't stop biting, and when I say biting I don't mean chewing like puppies do, I mean his hears go back he growls then bites. We've done the turning him onto his back until he calms down (which he doesn't like and bites you more when you do this) we tried yelping like a puppy, tried ignoring him after he does it, tried the bitter spray...nothing is helping and it seems to be getting worse. He had a toy the other day and I noticed that when I went near him if he had it he would growl at me so I took it to show him that I'm boss, I started petting him and he started growling, his hears went back, showed me his teeth then went to bite my face. I stopped him before he could actually bite me. I'm at a loss of what to do. Any advice would be great!! I am 19 weeks pregnant so I would like to stop this behavior before the baby is born.
    He does really well at meal time. We make him sit until we say he can get his food and he has no problems with this.


    on a side note.... we'll take him outside and be out for 45 minutes to an hour, he'll do both pee and poop outside then come in and pee on the carpet... what the heck is that all about??
     
  2. LSK

    LSK Puppy

    I'd get rid of it, give it back to the breeder
     
  3. Gatorpit

    Gatorpit Good Dog

    No...

    Pick ONE method, and stick with it.

    Alpha rolling has been determined to be more harmfull in you and your dogs relationship then anything else.

    http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=10081



    Ignoring and making a loud noise when used in conjuntion is the best method. However, as you have failed to curb the behavior for so long, it will take even longer to curb it now.

    You have to be consistant, and patient. You have to react the same way every time he does the behaviour you wish to eliminate. He can't be allowed to bite you (in play or whatever) SOMEtimes but not others. (I find guys have a harder time with this as many like to "play rough" with their pups.)

    And it takes TIME. Days or possibly WEEKS of consistant training.

    As far as peeing inside, what have you done thus far in attempts to housebreak him? What do you do when you catch him in the act? What do you do when you find a mess he made when you weren't looking?
     
  4. LSK

    LSK Puppy

    Theirs not enough time with a baby coming, a problem dog like this, not a chance. This is the worst problem possible with a baby about to be there, not worth it. Dont wait until its to late
     
  5. AmberL

    AmberL Good Dog

    If he is as bad as you say then he needs to be evaluated by a knowledgeable bully trainer, there occasionally there are dogs that are HA by nature and need to be euthanized.
     
  6. Gatorpit

    Gatorpit Good Dog

    It's not a "problem dog"...it's a puppy who hasn't recieved any proper guidance.

    I tend to agree with you that maybe they should get rid of the dog, but not to get another who they'll just make the same mistakes with, and NOT because there's anything wrong with this dog, but because the owners don't seem to have any real clue as to how to properly raise and train a pup.
     
  7. Hallil

    Hallil Little Dog

    How is that helpful at all? 19 weeks pregnant, there's still 21 WEEKS left to go, that's plenty of time to work with the pup.

    OP, is there anywhere near you that you could sign up for and take a puppy class? Or even just some one on one training so that someone with an extra set of eyes and a whole lot of experience may be able to guide you with what will work best for your pup.

    There are many different ways to curb the behavior, but what works with one pup may not work with the next. That's why having someone who has seen alot of it may be beneficial for ideas. I do know that alpha rolling or pinning often times makes the problem worse because it often innitiates play with the pup, or it over stimulates them and causes the problem to become worse (which it kind of sounds like happened.)

    Have you tried applying the same principles and rules to him at play time as you do at meal time? If he is good with his food, and is respectful, obviously he has that figured out. I would suggest reading the NILIF sticky here in the training section at the top of the page and I would also suggest keeping all toys put away unless you are actively engaging in play with him. That way he does not have the chance to gather up a pile of his favorites to play guard over.
     
  8. omgrobyn

    omgrobyn GRCH Dog

    Yeah, you've really got to be consistent.

    What I would do is...

    He bites me for attention, he gets a firm whack on the ass and a loud NO.

    As far as growling over a toy and showing teeth/trying to bite, he'd receive an age appropriate come to jesus moment, and we'd try him having the toy and me taking it again. There's a no tolerance policy for growling or showing teeth over food or toys in my house.

    You might want to get a trainer.
     
  9. kady05

    kady05 Krypto Super Dog

    Yup that's what I'd be doing.

    Wilson tried guarding a bone with me when he was a pup, maybe 14-15wks. old. We had a "moment", and he has NEVER tried it again.
     
  10. ziggypit

    ziggypit Puppy

    I really wish I was exaggurating the situationg, but in fact I may be down playing it. We started with one method and kept doing that method until it was no longer helping, for example, Saying no, it worked for about a week then when you would say no he jumps at you to bite you. Or we had the shake can (just a soda can with a few pennies in it) that was the best one for about 3 weeks until it just, excuse my language, pissed him off and he tries to bite you or the can now. I wish I could say he's a loving caring dog at times but I can't, he's cute when he's sleeping. I hate giving up on him. Our Vet is actually the one that told us to turn him onto his back, doesn't have to be on the floor but you can hold him as if he were a baby until he calms down but again it makes him mad. It seems as if the older hes getting the more he isn't listening, and the more he is being "mean" so to speak. He bit my father in law and made him bleed (because he was petting him), he bit my sons leg b/c he walked passed him, I was OK with the chewing everything in site, yes I stopped him from doing it so he didn't think it was OK but I'm not OK with him biting people.

    Would I do a google search to find a Bully trainer??

    ---------- Post added at 05:31 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:27 PM ----------


    I have raised puppies before and have never had this problem. I don't know how to handle this situation that's why I'm asking for help.... and I didn't say he was a problem dog, and actually I think I said "I need help" not my dog needs help...
     
  11. kady05

    kady05 Krypto Super Dog

    Any way you can video some of this behavior? He definitely doesn't sound fun, that's for sure!

    There are truly HA (human aggressive) dogs, and it can start as puppies. If that is the case here, best thing would be to have him PTS. But I wouldn't do that until I had him evaluated by a behaviorist. No more alpha rolling though, that (as you've found) will just make him worse, most likely.
     
  12. Gatorpit

    Gatorpit Good Dog

    I wasn't responding to you in that post...I know you didn't say he was a problem dog. I agree with others about finding a trainer if you don't know how to correct the issues yourself.

    ---------- Post added at 05:36 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:34 PM ----------

    AND BTW...Vets aren't animal behaviorists. They don't know that much about it unless they went to school specifically for animal behavior. Vet school doesn't cover behavior, training, and learning theory...and unfortunately, many vets are as clueless and old fashioned when it comes to dog training as any other member of the general public might be.
     
  13. ziggypit

    ziggypit Puppy

    I can try and record him...
    Putting him to sleep is the very last option... I will try just about anything before I do that. I will search for a trainer and see if they can help.
    I won't be doing the alpha roll anymore, and I'll make sure my fiance doesn't do it either.
     
  14. AmberL

    AmberL Good Dog

    Where are you located? There are alot of people on this forum and there might be someone in your area that knows of one. There is a difference between a pup misbehaving and an outright mean aggression. It can happen in pups that young. You don't see if often but it does happen. I do think a professional would be best to help you though.

    ---------- Post added at 02:39 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:39 PM ----------

    oh ... posted this late but what they said above.
     
  15. ziggypit

    ziggypit Puppy

    I'm in Northern Virginia... about 23 miles from DC
     
  16. kady05

    kady05 Krypto Super Dog

    Ack.. too bad you aren't closer, I'm in SE VA. Would be interested in seeing this little monster (not that I'm a certified trainer, but I've worked with a bunch of dogs).
     
  17. MJJean

    MJJean GRCH Dog

    If no one here knows anyone I would get on the phone and start calling around. Leave no stone unturned. Google trainers and behaviorists in your area, check the trainer and behaviorist certification web sites, ask at the local pet store etc etc.

    When you are on the phone with people ask questions. Ask them if they have experience with the bully breeds. Ask them what their training philosophies (sp?) are, ask then if they believe you can "train out" HA or DA and if they say yes...run!

    Whatever you do make sure your trainer and/or behaviorist is certified and experienced. What you describe could be puppy behavior exacerbated accidentally by training methods and play methods or it could be a truly HA dog in the making that is simply wrong in the head. Only a professional can tell you for sure after working in person with the pup.

    You have raised pups before, but have they been bully breed pups? There is a difference! I went rounds with my bullies when they were babies and acting like jackasses, but my Basset acted like the world ended when I corrected him twice.
     
  18. brindlexpitt

    brindlexpitt Derpidoo

    do your self a favor and bitch slap it across the room. some dogs are hard headed, and even then, it takes a few of those. (trust me, ive got one. lol)
     
  19. destinoscelgo

    destinoscelgo Good Dog

    :goodposting: everyone is right here...bully breeds are at times extremely hard headed. Invest in a good trainer and befiore baby comes (hopefully!) everything will be sorted out (for the most part at least haha)
     
  20. Dezzi

    Dezzi Big Dog

    I'd like to see a recording of the little guy too.
     

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