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Discussion in 'Controversial Topic Discussion' started by Alma, Dec 21, 2009.

  1. Alma

    Alma GRCH Dog

    HSUS & PETA and APBT's

    I know the opinions on HSUS and PETA vary. Some love the organization and some downright hate them.

    To those who object to HSUS and PETA, can you explain to me why?
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  2. Jim

    Jim Good Dog

    HSUS: I can only go off what people say as I don't live in the country but I know they are responsible for a lot of innocent people being accused and innocent dogs being killed.
    PETA: They try to push their propaganda like it is gospel. Also any time you go to a bullfight they are outside screaming at you,pouring red paint on themselves or some silly shit like that. Basically they get on my tits.
    Applying to both one of the biggest dangers,misinformation.
  3. Galadriel

    Galadriel Good Dog

    I'd be happy to start!
    The HSUS dupes people out of money by very purposefully giving the public the impression that when you donate, your money is going to save animals. The truth is, the money is going to their legislation crusades to pass ridiculous laws about pet ownership that gives animals more rights than their owners. And to pay their absurd salaries. People are led to believe the money they're donating is going toward life saving surgeries, and feeding and housing animals at their local humane societies when the HSUS doesn't operate a single animal shelter, and very rarely gives any money to shelters. It's nothing but a back stabbing, lying, begging mind fuck of a corporation.

    The goal of PETA is to eradicate contact between humans and animals. The believe there is that we shouldn't have them as companions or livestock, shouldn't eat them, shouldn't wear them, because animals are above us. They feel animals should be viewed and admired from a distance and people have no business corrupting them.
    I have read countless articles on how many pets PETA pulled from shelters and then killed, but no one ever talks about WHY. What's their motivation. Well, I'll tell ya! In their warped little collective mind, death of a companion animal is BETTER than being a companion animal. Better to be dead in a dumpster than loved in a home because humans are bastards.
  4. Elizabeth

    Elizabeth Good Dog

    There are many reasons that I dislike these two organizations. I feel so passionately about my dislike for them that I fear that I can not even justly put it into words. It infuriates me that they both try to appeal to the emotions and wallets of people by insinuating that they are on the front lines of animal rescue. When infact the HSUS is really nothing more than lobbiest working to take away the rights of pet owners everywhere.

    To me Peta is nothing more than a joke. They make themselves look like idiotic morons at every turn. The fact that anyone would ever pledge them donations is just mind boggling to me. The whole we are right and you are wrong attitude of Peta with no middle ground is stupid. The entire bases of Peta and their animal liberation I find senseless and useless.
  5. Alma

    Alma GRCH Dog

    Thanks everyone!!!! I know I had read that they were responsible for more pit bull killings then other groups and wondered if this was part of the reason as well...
  6. renae_nae

    renae_nae Big Dog

    PETA thinks that any animal in captivity is abuse.
  7. APBTlover09

    APBTlover09 GRCH Dog

    they (HSUS) killed 120+ dogs from wildside kennels. alot of them were puppies, and
    had nothing wrong with them. people were trying to help the dogs and pups.
    and the stupid inhumane society of the united states wouldn't let them be saved or rescued. :(:(:(:(
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  8. Alma

    Alma GRCH Dog

    Thats it!! Now here is where I get a bit confused....

    Many believe that apbt's really only belong with experienced breed savvy owners. Many also believe that they are few and far between.

    Question is.. isnt it more humane to have them pts, then being placed in the wrong homes or rotting in cages? Im not trying to be insensitive.. its just something thats been rolling around in my mind for a few days.. trying to understand it all.
  9. Galadriel

    Galadriel Good Dog

    It's not the HSUS and PETA putting most of them down. It's our local shelters. Breeding is out of freaking control when it comes to these dogs, and there isn't enough room for them OR all the other animals being over bred and dumped.
    The Wildside bust forced the HSUS to rethink their stance on the APBT. The outrage was heard far and wide. The truth is, yeah....most of those dogs should be put down instead of being warehoused somewhere until they die.
  10. Alma

    Alma GRCH Dog

    How have they rethought their stance, Gala?
  11. Elizabeth

    Elizabeth Good Dog

    oops I just noticed after my tyraid that I left the whole APBT aspect out. I agree with Gal and while it was awful what happened to the Wildside Kennel dogs, if they were not going to be going back to their rightful owner I sure as hell would not have wanted to see those dogs fall into the Wrong rescue hands.
  12. Galadriel

    Galadriel Good Dog

    Before the Wildside bust, and INCLUDING that bust in fact, their policy was a "fighting dog" was a loose cannon, waiting to go off, and could never be placed into a home. Then they went and euth'd puppies that were born AFTER the raid, saying being killers was in their blood, and they'd never be good pets because of their breeding history. And then the shit storm happened. Even people who werent' really fans of the APBT couldn't understand why policy mandated that new born puppies could be killed because of their temperaments. Didn't make any sense. There was enough outrage that they are now looking at dogs from busts on an individual basis, and euthing or placing them based on their individual temperaments instead of the "kill em all" attitude.
  13. Alma

    Alma GRCH Dog

    VERY Interesting, Gala! At least some good did come out of it, thankfully.
  14. bostonitis

    bostonitis Good Dog

    Personally I dont like the HSUS for similar reasons but my main thing is they call EVERYTHING a pitbull which just results in everyone thinking any dog that looks similar to mine is a pitbull. This means when ANY dog attacks ANY person it automatically is a pitbull. They have dogs I would consider labs listed JUST as pitbulls and they temperment test them WITH DOGS (hello APBT) and if they are reactive to dogs they are put down but those that arent are adopted out? (WTH!) Furthermore, like everyone else said they have a mostly volunteer staff where the eff is that money going? Well go online I forget the website but I am sure you can find it, it gives all that tax information to where money went and boy is it ridiculous!

    As for PETA dont get me started. I am a vegetarian and have been so for over ten years and it really erks me when I have idiots who saw some video on meat become vegan then try to chuck all this hippie bullshit at me that they read in a leaflet. Those people are mindwashing psychos if you ask me. Also if you REALLY want to know why I hate PETA if you watch an episode of "Bullshit" by Penn and Teller on PETA it encompasses everything...seriously I think it may be online somewhere. They MURDER THOUSANDS of animals a year but then chuck paint on people who hunt? There is a difference between having an opinion and being a terrorist, they just dont get that.
  15. Alma

    Alma GRCH Dog

    LOVE Penn & Teller, cant wait for the new season. I dont think I saw the one on PETA though, I'll check tonight to see if its online. :)
  16. bostonitis

    bostonitis Good Dog

    All I can say is the picture of the apartment sized freezer they use for dead animals is one of the reasons :no2:.

    That show is great, although I may not agree with everything it is a nice learning tool.
  17. doggylover

    doggylover Puppy

    I am the person busted in AZ for doing nothing but having dogs.(110 killed) They couldnt kill them fast enough. We were acquitted. There was NO EVIDENCE of dog fighting, cruelty, gambling, NOTHING. the plan was to eliminate the gene pool. They are trying to expand the law, that is why the DNA thing. We had no titled dogs, yet they made up one just to justify their actions. HSUS uses law enforcement as their personal army to target their victims, based on the ideological hate of John Goodwin, the terrorist. Im glad the Wildside thing got the attentiion it did. Our dogs didnt seem to matter to anyone but us. I will never get over it.

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