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Howdy. Have owned many dogs. Raising my first Pitty

Discussion in 'Introductions' started by Vagullion, Jun 20, 2020.

  1. Vagullion

    Vagullion Puppy

    Hi there. I came to this forum to query some long time owners for tips.

    I have a 10 month old Male red nose pitty named Zed. Had him since he was 8-10 weeks old.

    Unfortunately, he has been a bit of a handful with my other animals in the last month. I constantly have been on reddit and other forums and have long been a believer in "a dog is a dog" and that its all in how you raise it. Unfortunately most of the public is split into 2 camps. 1 camp hates Pits, the other loves them. The camp that loved them informed me that if you raise a pit with love and spoil it with positive reinforcement that it would be just like owning a lab and you could let it off leash at the family BBQ with other dogs. A few glances at these forums where real pit owners chat has enlightened me to the fact that Pits tend to be inherently aggressive to other animals and now I am in a hard place because i was totally unprepared for it. I really did believe as long as it was away from those cruel dog fight owners it would be no different than owning a Lab because of media sources comments and reddit posters telling me so. My mistake, but its a pretty common one I guess. When I asked for help on reddit it was not helpful at all.....They just told me I need to love the dog more and he will stop going after my Lab.....When i mentioned these forums saying I might need to crate and rotate because they say pits are inherently dog aggressive, they told me I was believing dog racism and fake media and that all pits are loving and gentle unless I mistreat them and deleted my posts when I kept asking questions......

    But I am here now. I want to make the best of it and give my guy a good home. My cat and Lab on the other hand.........I can't keep them in the same room with Zed EVER. Im reading through old threads now to see if I can find comparable situations.

    I thank you for having me
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  2. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Staff Member Administrator

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  3. GK1

    GK1 Little Dog

    a dog IS a dog, but not in the same context.

    that a lab or any other breed can’t be da for a number of reasons is nonsense. dogs with fighting genealogy or inherently high prey/hunt drives or defensiveness can be that much more determined and effective at fighting.

    big problem is anthropomorphism of dogs…like the invention of public dog parks; referring to dogs as ‘fur babies’ and ‘pitties’; and the failure to learn how to read a dog’s behavior from the DOGS' perspective - and recognizing the triggers for prey aggression, defensiveness, possessiveness, territoriality etc..

    another other problem is this ‘all positive/treats only’ approach to training which ignores importance of handler establishing a leadership position over the dog. instead the all positive approach conditions the dog to perform tricks in order to satisfy himself only - with no negative consequences for undesirable behavior.

    crate and rotate certainly has its practical value and is a must some instances with some dogs; I do it as necessary.

    but nothing beats firm and consistent +/- training over the life of the dog.

    btw happy dad’s day. and a nice day to the rest of you. .
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  4. Lyssa

    Lyssa Puppy

    Hi, I'm new at this too. You will probably get better results on the behavior forum, but you might include if she has issues with all dogs or specific dogs, if there are shared resources that might be an issue, and if they are ok in parallel (like through a fence).
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  5. oldman

    oldman Little Dog

    Different breeds of dogs were developed for certain traits. A greyhound was bred especially for running. No matter how you raise a greyhound if you let them do it they will run. A beagle was bred especially for hunting. Again, like the greyhound, if you let the beagle go it will start trailing. A border collie was bred for herding. If they are left alone they will try to herd anything that walks.
    Lap dogs were bred for setting on their ass being a pet. They are very good at it. For some reason some people believe every dog will be a lap dog. They think if they keep the dog in an apartment or in a crate they can make any dog behave like a lap dog. That thinking is what led to the start of attacks by pit bulls on people and animals. It started in the 1980s. People would insist the pit bulls had to be mistreated to become aggressive. They never gave any thought to the hundreds of years that went into the breeding for just that purpose.
    Todays pit bulls are already just a shadow to what they once were with so many people breeding dogs that should never have been bred. Many low quality pit bulls have been bred and raised by people who should have stuck with a lap dog. The result of this is dogs that have become a danger to anything they see. These dogs are handled and owned by people who have no idea what traits the dogs were developed for. When the dog does what it was bred for the people have no idea how to handle it. Most times they go to pounds that will try to sell the dog to people, like the previous owner, who have no idea about the breed they are looking at.
    Please, if you want a lap dog get one that has been bred especially for that. Do not get a dog that was bred for some other trait and try to keep the dog from doing what it was selective bred to do.
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  6. Lyssa

    Lyssa Puppy

    I found a really good pit history article on the McCann s dog training site. It talks a lot about the types of fights pits were breed for and gameness v. Agression. It shed dime light on some of my girls odder behavior quirks.
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  7. Capt. Roxy

    Capt. Roxy Good Dog Premium Member

    Is Zed trying to fight with them? Or giving signs etc?

    Well, I can tell you that long ago I too believed perhaps dogs are all just dogs and socialization, training etc. may help etc etc- LOL. Boy, was that total BS!! Thank goodness for the veterans here bc they helped me through this with my female. I have never once condoned fighting or tried to make her aggressive in anyway. She had extensive training and help through the rescue with a owner who never once condoned fighting and guess what... she’s still aggressive as hell to most dogs. It is what it is.

    Zed may be able to coexist with your pack but there’s also a chance he may not be able to. My female is okay with my male but my male is extremely submissive and there are no triggers and we always have a break stick just in case. When there’s a situation where there can be any hint of excitement (guests over, dinner time, kids running around.. list goes on and on) we crate and rotate because she will lash out on him but for the most part they’re okay and can even play together.

    I would crate and rotate at all times when they’re left unattended and if you can’t give your full attention I would crate and rotate too. Good luck!! Keep us posted.
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  8. Vagullion

    Vagullion Puppy

    Thank you. I have been reading the training section extensively because a lot of situations are comparable to mine.

    If i run into unique situations I will post more lol
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  9. I too am fairly new to owning this type of dog, so I definitely empathize with your conundrum. I own two AmStaff/AmPBT mixes who cannot be within striking distance of each other and so do a modified version of crate/rotate - house them on two separate floors (my male does not tolerate crating). I have used the services of an animal behaviorist which has helped with this and other issues my two rescues have and highly recommend this if you can find one in your area. I found one who was willing to do Skype consults using video footage of problem behaviors.
    I commend you for seeking real answers to this troublesome situation instead of just giving up and dropping Zed off at a shelter. Bottom line is that you need to be prepared for the possibility Zed may not be able to interact with other dogs in a non-aggressive way and that you will need to either permanently separate or re-home him with someone who understands the unique challenges these breeds present and can provide him with an environment that will keep him and others safe.
    I wish you the best of luck and hope that you are able to find a satisfactory solution.

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