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How to train a dog to not sleep in crate at night?

Lillie May

Good Dog
My SIL asked me this question, I gave her a few thoughts, but said I'd ask here. To clarify for you, she had only used crates when they're at work, or away from home. The dogs slept with them at night. A few months back she had knee surgery, and it hurt her when the dogs slept on the bed. So they got crated at night during her recovery. She's fine now, but the 1 year old lab still wants to sleep in his crate at night. She wants him back out for two reasons. First because she likes it, and second there's been some break-ins around their neighborhood. She doesn't expect the dogs to protect them, but as an early warning. I have no experience with breaking that, any and all suggestions would be appreciated.
 

Lillie May

Good Dog
Lol, no that was one of my suggestions. She has all 3 crates in what she calls the dog room. I also suggested asking him to lay in bed with them for awhile, to condition him a little at a time to sleep back in there. She tried that and say the longest he'd stay was 15 minutes. He gets up, barks at them to put him to bed, and I had also said leave the crate door open. He keeps coming back barking until they shut it.
 
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_unoriginal

Cow Dog
Lol, no that was one of my suggestions. She has all 3 crates in what she calls the dog room. I also suggested asking him to lay in bed with them for awhile, to condition him a little at a time to sleep back in there. She tried that and say the longest he'd stay was 15 minutes. He gets up, barks at them to put him to bed, and I had also said leave the crate door open. He keeps coming back barking until they shut it.

Sounds like they're encouraging the behavior. If he doesn't want to be on the bed, outside of forcing the issue by not allowing access to the crate and confining him to the bed, while dealing with the tantrums, there's really not much that can be done.
 

Jazzy

GRCH Dog
Lol, no that was one of my suggestions. She has all 3 crates in what she calls the dog room. I also suggested asking him to lay in bed with them for awhile, to condition him a little at a time to sleep back in there. She tried that and say the longest he'd stay was 15 minutes. He gets up, barks at them to put him to bed, and I had also said leave the crate door open. He keeps coming back barking until they shut it.

How about as an interim step - close the bedroom door, put a dog bed on the floor if she would feel bad about him sleeping on the floor - and ignore the behavior. That way if he gets off the bed he's still confined to the bedroom and he's breaking the habit of sleeping in his crate.

Then she could work on gradually getting him back on the bed.

If it were the opposite problem - where the dog didn't want to be in the crate and WANTED to be on the bed- everyone would say ignore the tantruming, wait it out, the dog doesn't get to decide where he sleeps. Sooooo....wait it out, ignore the tantruming, the dog doesn't get to decide where he sleeps. :grin:

I think your SIL has to decide how important it is to her - is it a battle she wants to fight.

(Personally, I would - no way did I get a dog to have it sleep in a crate a room away - that shit would not fly here)
 

Lillie May

Good Dog
I was going to suggest what you guys are saying. Ignore the barking and carrying on just as you would if it were in a crate. Or maybe we can find a crate to put in the bedroom first. Which one do you think? If it were me I'd ignore the tantrums, skip the crate altogether.
 

Jazzy

GRCH Dog
I was going to suggest what you guys are saying. Ignore the barking and carrying on just as you would if it were in a crate. Or maybe we can find a crate to put in the bedroom first. Which one do you think? If it were me I'd ignore the tantrums, skip the crate altogether.

I'd skip the crate and close the bedroom door (if it isn't the sort of dog to flip out and chew it's way out) - that way the dog is contained in the room you want it in and you break the crate/sleep at night association.
 

Lillie May

Good Dog
I'd skip the crate and close the bedroom door (if it isn't the sort of dog to flip out and chew it's way out) - that way the dog is contained in the room you want it in and you break the crate/sleep at night association.
Yep, I'm with you! She really wants him back in there, so I think she will do it. Because those of us who let our dogs sleep with us get it! That's why I told her I'd get good advice for her here. Y'all rock :dance2:
 

Lillie May

Good Dog
Sounds like they're encouraging the behavior. If he doesn't want to be on the bed, outside of forcing the issue by not allowing access to the crate and confining him to the bed, while dealing with the tantrums, there's really not much that can be done.
She knows she is, but everyone told her the dog feels safe in there. We know that's true as far as crate training goes. That's why she's asking for help, it's the reverse of normal crate training. Does that make sense?
 

Jazzy

GRCH Dog
Yep, I'm with you! She really wants him back in there, so I think she will do it. Because those of us who let our dogs sleep with us get it! That's why I told her I'd get good advice for her here. Y'all rock :dance2:

I'm not certain that "let" is entirely accurate...more like...require, demand, insist...

kibble ain't free and nobody gets a free ride. Three dog night baby:grin:

Well your SIL has a 3 dog night - we have a one dog night - but adding more would make it a mosh pit - which is not conducive to sleeping.

As I'm typing this - I just put Veronica to bed - and my husband went in and is pawing her all over crooning I love you in her ear - probably annoying the shit out of her :lol:
 

Lillie May

Good Dog
Try 4 sometimes 5! Bahaha that's a mosh pit! Yeah let isn't right.....it's required here. I'm the Queen and I demand they shall do it! Dammit, peasants have overtaken the Queendom. How the HELL did that happen?:grin: You know Veronica loves having sweet nothings whispered to her.......just saying. :lol:
 

Kit

Good Dog
I'm not certain that "let" is entirely accurate...more like...require, demand, insist...

kibble ain't free and nobody gets a free ride. Three dog night baby:grin:

Well your SIL has a 3 dog night - we have a one dog night - but adding more would make it a mosh pit - which is not conducive to sleeping.

As I'm typing this - I just put Veronica to bed - and my husband went in and is pawing her all over crooning I love you in her ear - probably annoying the shit out of her :lol:

I think we have the same husband. LOL
 

Jazzy

GRCH Dog
Try 4 sometimes 5! Bahaha that's a mosh pit! Yeah let isn't right.....it's required here. I'm the Queen and I demand they shall do it! Dammit, peasants have overtaken the Queendom. How the HELL did that happen?:grin: You know Veronica loves having sweet nothings whispered to her.......just saying. :lol:

Absolutely...but if you want to light her fire you have to whisper things like like "do you want a cookie, how about a snack, lets have a treat, it's time for dinner" - those are HER idea of sweet nothings...

I think we have the same husband. LOL

:lol:
 

Lillie May

Good Dog
SIL is grateful for your help. They're on vacation next week, so they don't care if they lose some sleep. I gave her a bag of Boogie's liver treats to reward him. She said to say :thankUsmiley: