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how old should a dog be before breeding

Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by 65lbdixie, Sep 8, 2007.

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  1. 65lbdixie

    65lbdixie Puppy

    my dog is 1 1/2 years old and she is coming into her second heat.. my breeder has a male that i want to breed to and he is such a handsome dog. another thing is my girl is 60 -65 lbs and he is 100 105lbs... would this be a problem ? :confused:
  2. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Administrator

    Why do you want to breed?
  3. jncrowe84

    jncrowe84 Puppy


    You have to wait to the second heat before you breed them.
  4. buddysmom

    buddysmom Good Dog


    Code of Ethics For Breeders of American Pit Bull Terriers/American Staffordshire Terriers

    Section I: Introduction & Mission Statement

    Introduction: This Code of Ethics is being presented by the Pit Bull Owners Alliance (PBOA). The material presented herein is to serve as a guide for breeders and reference tool for potential buyers seeking out breeders. The goal in presenting this Code of Ethics is not to promote Pit Bull breeding, but rather to discourage indiscriminate breeding, poor breeding practices, and support of unethical breeders. PBOA supports and encourages rescue above and beyond breeding or purchasing Pit Bulls.

    Mission Statement: The ethical breeder of American Pit Bull Terriers and/or American Staffordshire Terriers ("Pit Bulls") shall always hold paramount the future of the breed. A desire for betterment and preservation of the Pit Bull breed should be the sole driving force behind a breeder's choice to produce puppies.

    1) The breed's future: because of a) anti-Pit Bull legislation, b) irresponsible ownership, c) criminal animal abuse, and d) a surplus of dogs, the future of the Pit Bull is in jeopardy. Prior to planning a litter, a breeder should ask himself/herself if the litter will jeopardize the future of the breed by contributing in any way to a, b, c, and/or d above.

    2) Betterment of the breed: the goal of the ethical Pit Bull breeder should always be, first and foremost, to better the breed through the production of puppies that are as good as or superior to the previous generation. Production of Pit Bulls that ideally represent the United Kennel Club (UKC), American Dog Breeders Association (ADBA), and/or American Kennel Club (AKC) Standard(s) should be considered the pinnacle of a Pit Bull breeding program.

    3) Preservation of the breed: ethical breeders should work to preserve, through legal and humane means, the Pit Bull breed as it was, is and should be. Means to achieve this goal include: protecting the integrity of the breed through adherence to the Standards; careful culling (via sterilization, and/or humane euthanasia when necessary) of sub-standard stock; meticulous record-keeping, DNA profiling, microchipping, and pedigree research; studying to achieve a scholarly knowledge of breed history, temperament, health, structure, and genetics.

    Section II: Actions of the Ethical Pit Bull Breeder

    Note 1: For simplicity’s sake, "dog" will apply to both sexes. “Breeding stock†will apply to any dog or dogs that the Ethical Pit Bull breeder will breed, allow to be bred, or pay for the breeding services of.

    Note 2: The pedigrees (previous generations) of all breeding stock should be considered as important as the breeding stock itself.

    Note 3: Proper care, management and training are beyond the scope of this document. However an Ethical Pit Bull Breeder keeps their dogs well trained, in good health, in clean quarters, provides daily exercise and mental stimulation, and does not keep more dogs than can adequately be provided for.

    The Ethical Pit Bull Breeder chooses breeding stock based on several criteria:

    a) correctness of temperament (see #2 and Item 2)
    b) health and vitality of the individual dogs (see #3, Item 3, and Note 3)
    c) conformity to the applicable breed standard of the recognized Pit Bull registry (see # 5)
    d) qualities the individual dogs may offer to future generations
    e) qualities the pedigrees of the individual dogs may offer to future generations

    The Ethical Pit Bull Breeder holds “A†and “B†above paramount above all other considerations when choosing breeding stock.

    The Ethical Pit Bull Breeder:

    1) has an extensive knowledge of Pit Bulls (their history, genetics, the Standards, care, training), as well as a strong understanding of breeding practices, canine health, and dog behavior/training

    2) chooses breeding stock that is temperamentally sound and representative of the Standards. In addition, the Ethical Pit Bull Breeder does not breed any Pit Bull that is human-aggressive, fearful, exhibits behavior typically seen in breeds of the protection/guardian group, nor any Pit Bull that is not “temperament correct†(see item 3 below).

    Item 2: The temperament correct Pit Bull: seeks out human interaction; is responsive, biddable and eager to please; may be genetically predisposed to aggression towards other dogs or animals; is appropriately submissive; is well balanced and optimistic; enjoys handling; presents good eye contact; is able to be calm in the presence of other dogs on leash or - if initially leash reactive - can learn how to tolerate their presence; is willing to connect with handler during high arousal; can be handled safely even in times of high arousal; accepts a reasonable amount of confinement; drops arousal levels quickly when removed from a stressful situation; is social with people of all types; is responsive and good natured; is never aggressive towards humans.

    3) health tests all breeding stock prior to breeding, and certifies health of breeding stock prior to breeding where such certifications are available. Tests and certifications shall be conducted and processed prior to any dog being bred. Required health tests and certifications include: hips, elbows, thyroid, and heart (evaluated and certified by organizations such as Orthopedic Foundation for Animals [OFA] for hips, elbows, thyroid, and heart, or PennHip for hips). Dogs should test negative for Brucellosis and von Willebrand's Disease. Additional testing may be conducted for the following health abnormalties: Spinocerebellar/Hereditary Ataxia (specifically on American Staffordshire Terriers), and Progressive Retinal Atrophy (PRA) with subsequent registration with Canine Eye Registry Foundation (CERF) encouraged for dogs free of PRA. Results and certifications of any and all tests will be made readily available to potential buyers if tested and certified dogs will be bred. In addition, immediately prior to each breeding, all breeding stock should pass a basic veterinary health examination and be determined to be in good health.

    Item 3: No dog with unsatisfactory health tests and/or certification results shall ever be bred. Unsatisfactory results would be (among others):

    a) OFA hip ratings below fair
    b) OFA elbow ratings that indicated elbow dysplasia
    c) PennHip ratings that show abnormal joint laxity
    d) thyroids that do not test normal; thyroids that test TgAA positive
    e) hearts that are not found to be clear of murmurs or other abnormalities upon examination with a Doppler (ultrasound) exam by a Board Certified Cardiologist
    f) positive tests for Spincerebellar/Hereditary Ataxia
    g) positive tests for PRA
    h) positive tests for any other hereditary/congenital/genetic disease

    Note 3) No dog that has ever been diagnosed with a hereditary/congenital skin disease (including demodectic mange) shall ever be bred. A dog with chronic health problems (such as skin allergies) and/or weaknesses, and/or immune weakness shall never be bred. A dog that has torn anterior cruxiate cigaments (ACL) shall never be bred unless the torn ligaments were damaged because of conceivable stress and/or injury which indicate normal environmental causes and not hereditary/congenital/genetic weakness.

    5) chooses breeding stock that conforms to the Standard(s) of the applicable recognized Pit Bull registry.

    6) registers breeding stock and produced litters with a recognized Pit Bull registry.
    Item 1: For the sake of this Code of Ethics, recognized Pit Bull registries will be considered the United Kennel Club and the American Dog Breeders Association (for American Pit Bull Terriers and American Staffordshire Terriers being registered as American Pit Bull Terriers), and the American Kennel Club (for American Staffordshire Terriers). These organizations are the oldest and hold breed standards that are most sought after and followed.

    7) only breeds mature (over 2 years of age) dogs. Does not breed elderly bitches, nor does the Ethical Pit Bull breeder breed any one bitch more than once every 24 months.

    [​IMG] seeks validation of quality of breeding stock through competition in organized dog sports and subsequent achievement of titles and certifications such as:

    a) UKC, ADBA, and AKC conformation, obedience, agility, and performance titles
    b) certifications such as the AKC’s Canine Good Citizen (CGC), American Temperament
    Test Society’s Temperament Tested (TT), Therapy Dogs International’s Therapy Dog International (TDI), and other similar, valid certifications.
    c) events, titles, and certifications offered by other valid organizations.

    9) breeds less than 3 litters every year. Should ideally breed no more than 1 litter a year.

    10) breeds when there is a specific demand for the puppies, and owners for puppies have been predetermined before birth.

    Section III: Puppies, Placement, and Care

    Note 5: Section III also applies to adolescent dogs and/or adult dogs any breeder may have in their care and potentially place.

    1) chooses homes based on ability to properly care for and handle a Pit Bull, and acts as match maker between puppy/dog and potential owner to ensure compatibility.

    Item 4: The quality of the home any puppy or dog is placed into should be of great importance. The Ethical Pit Bull Breeder only considers a potential owner that:

    a) has already done good breed research. Asks good questions. Shows willingness to learn more
    b) is realistic about breed challenges (dog-aggression, high energy levels, strong and pushy, breed specific legislation, rental and home owners insurance issues, bad reputation of breed, etc.)
    c) shows a stable, mature, open-minded personality
    d) is happy to be interviewed and receive a home inspection
    e) is physically capable of handling a strong dog
    f) wants an indoor pet as a companion animal/family member
    g) has had some dog experience and knowledge of basic training.
    h) has a reasonably active lifestyle and is prepared to satisfy dog's daily exercise needs
    i) owns a home or has a secure rental that will allow a Pit Bull (should provide proof in lease)
    j) can provide safe containment: tall, secure fences if yard is present and working latches on gates.
    k) lives in a household (includes roommates, children, seniors) that is involved in the decision to bring a Pit Bull into the family and is able to help manage a dog
    l) has other pets in the home that are a good match and understands that Pit Bull must be separated from other pets when not supervised

    12) socializes and conducts basic training with all puppies before sending them to their new homes.

    13) microchips all puppies prior to sending them to their new homes.

    14) does not place puppies under 8 weeks of age.

    15) does not place puppies in areas where breed specific legislation that would endanger the puppy’s life or quality of life exists.

    16) provides legally-binding, non-expiring contracts upon purchase that protect buyer as well as puppy. Contract certifies health (congenital, genetic, hereditary) and temperamental soundness of puppy. Assures puppy is disease-free prior to placement through records detailing proper veterinary and health care. Contract includes clause that requires new owner to relocate with the dog, or return the dog to the Ethical Pit Bull Breeder in the event that breed specific legislation that would endanger the puppy’s life or quality of life is enacted in the new owner’s city/state.

    17) takes responsibility for any puppy produced, during any point in the lifetime of that puppy, should the original home become unable to care for the puppy or grown adult dog.

    1[​IMG] sends puppies home with papers from the recognized Pit Bull registry to allow the new owner to register the puppy in his/her name; unless the puppy is pet stock and is not spayed or neutered prior to going to new home, in which case, the Ethical Pit Bull Breeder will withhold papers until the new owner can provide proof of spay/neuter. It is strongly advised, however, that the Ethical Pit Bull Breeder spays/neuters all pet stock prior to placement in new homes.

    Item 5: “Pet stock†is any puppy that is not or would not potentially be bred by an Ethical Pit Bull Breeder, and/or any puppy that will not potentially be shown in conformation events.

    19) after sending puppy home, offers support indefinitely to new owner by way of breed counseling, training/behavior advice, health care information, referrals, etc.

    20) recognizes that breeding is not a money making venture, a business, nor a means to bring in extra money. Stud fees and sale prices of puppies should reflect the costs of ethical breeding. The ethical breeder does not see a profit at the end of the year, but may actually see a loss.

    (C) 2005 Mary Harwelik & Pit Bull Owners Alliance
  5. monkeys23

    monkeys23 GRCH Dog

    You rock Buddysmom!
  6. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Administrator

    excellent post Buddysmom!
  7. bahamutt99

    bahamutt99 Stealth ninja

    There should be a reason to be two dogs. Can I ask what the accomplishments are behind the stud that you would want to breed to such an out-of-standard dog? Also, what has your female done to proven her breed-worthiness? (This is not a slam at your dog, but is an honest question that you should ask yourself.) A breeding program should be about producing the best you can in Temperament, Conformation, Health and Working Ability. There should be proof of excellence in all these categories. It should never be about breeding two dogs because of looks.

    Good luck with whatever you choose. Hope you make the right decision.
  8. jncrowe84

    jncrowe84 Puppy

    I agree with you.
  9. Drgnrdr

    Drgnrdr Big Dog

    agree, I will add at least 2 years old, also I would think it better for big female to have small/large pups than a small female having large/small pups, I would make sure and read what others have posted, especially about standard size and temperment, any titles etc...just MHO.
  10. fearlessknight

    fearlessknight Good Dog

    Buddysmom has an A-1 post right there..and Bahamutt finished it up...
    The dog could be 5 years old and still not need to be bred...

    105lbs is WAY far out of standard....
    breeding because youthinkg the other dog is "handsome" is a horrible reason to breed.

    105lb APBT is not an APBT but a cross bred mutt...they usually come with lazy habits and possibly bad temperaments, especially when breeding them again.....not only is the dog out of standard ....but continuing breeding of these dogs, will only hurt the dog in many ways...
    I promise I am not here to bash you or the dogs...because I feel sorry for them more than anything....i can imagine that the 105lber looks somewhat like this: [​IMG]
    or maybe this:
    or this:
    now if you look closely these dogs are in really bad shape...their legs are are about 7 inches long and are hardly able to carry their massive bodies. They are so heavy they get tired extremely quick and are ready to lay down at any given moment.
    The middle pic, the dog has such a BAD underbite, I would imagine it being hard for him to eat let alone doing anything that APBT's are known to do, when working and playing. The more they are bred the worse these traits get and the more deformed the dogs get.

    You really need to read these previous posts and think about what you are doing to this breed that is already in enough trouble....
  11. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Administrator

    If you are not breeding to better/preserve the breed, you have no business breeding, period.
  12. Boogieman

    Boogieman Guest

    tell your breeder he/she isn't breeding APBT's, but crossbred mutts with hung papers.....that is if they are papered at all. stick around here and learn a little bit about what a true APBT should be, look like, act like and perform like, and you should be able to answer your own question. from the sounds of it you are a novice pit bull type owner and your knowledge of the breed is low or else you would know that the dogs you are speaking of are NOT APBT's.
  13. 65lbdixie

    65lbdixie Puppy

    thank you all for the input .. well with my female. her temperment is wonderful .. loving and very outgoing... very athletic and excerises alot= healthy :cool:. the male .. has a really good attitude and great with everything. he is alittle over weight from not getting enough exerise . he may be down under the 100lb mark now... i also think i will wait because of age.. i have heard diffrent from many people and age diffrences... 2 is better than one being young and immature.... so again ... i will wait untill spring....:grin::D
  14. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Administrator

    if you are not breeding to better/preserve this breed, you have no business breeding, period!
  15. fearlessknight

    fearlessknight Good Dog

    I am sorry but you need to have her spayed...and the male should be neutered...

    just below the 100lb mark is just as bad as the 200lb mark

    The standard APBT weighs (usually) no more than 60-65 lbs and in a lot of cases that is pushing it big time.

    What people are trying ever so politely to tell you is that they SHOULD NOT BRED at ANY age....now or in a year or two...they are not a full bred dog to start with, and temperaments can CHANGE through BREEDING different BREEDS of dogs....
    you should really reconsider your decision.....the dogs (both) should be fixed......and never bred..
    Not only all of this, but if you have to ask when to breed a dog of any breed...then it is usually a clear sign that you should not be breeding...you ned to do some homework on the breed..I dont mean over the weekend...I mean a few years of studying....
  16. chloesredboy

    chloesredboy Banned

    This makes me sick.Just wanted to say a big thank you for helping in the destruction of the American Pit Bull Terrier.People like you are the reason for thousands of innocent dogs being KILLED in shelters each year.When one of your 100 lb MUTTS mauls someone ,it will undoubtably be tagged as a "Pit Bull " Attack.Hope you are proud of yourself for earning the title of BACKYARD BREEDER.
  17. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Administrator

    thank you for what I was trying to say:)

    to the OP; please stick around and read and get educated before doing something that will only add to the problems that already exist with regard to this breed...
  18. Boogieman

    Boogieman Guest

    obviously you didn't listen to anything anybody had to say. :(
  19. fearlessknight

    fearlessknight Good Dog

    No kidding...I was TRYING to be as nice as possible without getting in trouble.....
    You she is going to do whatever she wants anyways..I mean the dog is handsome remember...and I am sure the line that they are running would make a few BIG QUICK bucks too....:mad:
  20. 65lbdixie

    65lbdixie Puppy

    ok people for one. I AM NOT breeding my dog to give out to the general public . i have 6 friends and 3 family members that want a pup. ok they have seen my dog and the male and they are wonderful dogs.... i am not breeding to sell to the >>>>>detroit nor for fighting. as for a quick buck.... all i have asked for was payment for vacc's. and vet visit..so the dog is basically free. im not looking for the perfect puppie... apbt standards.. i was just wanting to know a safe age .so if all your going to do is bash me then shut the hell up .. thanks to the people who were level headed and normal about this.. and all my people that want and dog currently have or have onwed a pitbull before..
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