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How does something like this happen?

Discussion in 'General Dog Discussions' started by shelbadooba, Jun 2, 2017.

  1. shelbadooba

    shelbadooba Puppy

    In Virginia a woman adopted a bull breed mix (terminology? News is calling it a pit) and it killed her grandmother the same day. The dog had gone through 3 months train and board at a rehabilitation facility and "passed with flying colors". He supposedly got along great with everyone he met and was very dog friendly. Can anyone at least speculate how a dog could have been so wonderful one minute and downright awful the next? He pushed her over and wouldn't stop mauling her until she stopped screaming even though the daughter was hitting him with a hammer. You think he HAD been showing signs of aggression at the facility and they just didn't recognize it?
  2. shelbadooba

    shelbadooba Puppy

  3. Mister

    Mister Little Dog

    My condolences to the family. It's not the first time these places have got an assessment wrong and won't be the last. Pure speculation but what caught my attention was it happened after the shock collar was taken of the dog. I've never known any rescue to rehome a dog that they felt needed to wear a shock collar, so I assume the new owner put it on him for some reason. But I have known of 1 dog turn nasty after first time wearing a shock collar, when the lad with him misused it and the dog attacked him.
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  4. NobodyHere

    NobodyHere Guest

    "Forever Home Rescue & Rehabilitation Center is a 501(c)(3 ) non-profit organization whose mission is to rehabilitate dogs in shelters that will be overlooked by potential adopters. Rescue dogs that show fear, stress, anxiety, nervousness and cage presence that potential adopters will over look."

    This is the "save everything" mentality at work. I'd love to know what behaviors this dog was supposedly being "rehabilitated" from.
  5. BlaznJon

    BlaznJon Little Dog

    It is a trajedy that this happened. I have seen conflicting stories about the e collar. one was that it was set on vibrate ,in case the new dog started fixating on their other dogs.
    Any time you have a new dog anything is possible. Working with rescues you see that every dog is different.How they handle different situations,people,confinement.Some dogs can take a year in boarding.some lose it at a couple weeks.we will never know what triggered the dog. some dogs do not like eradic movements. like a old person walking or like drunk people staggering around. who know s if she was using her walker and it was like some one with a stick to that dog ?
    A new dog always requires being watch full and cautious as you and the dog learning about how each acts or reacts. i have seen many dogs escape or be startled and run away after a short time in there new homes. it happens in a second. it takes time for you to both figure it out what works for you and what the boundries are.

    lately what i see is people that think they for $150 adopted a dog park ready dog. one that can go out in public with voice control and is socialized .the perfect dog. this is not going to happen on its own. training is going to be an on going thing. most rescue`s lose money on their adoptions.between spay and neutering,shots medcal bills. They do there best to tempurement test there dogs with other dogs, maybe have a litle time to work on sit and stays on there walks. i think they try there best.as Adopters we need to do our best too.to set our dogs up for sucsess.

    this could have been the perfect storm. we will never know.
  6. catchrcall

    catchrcall Good Dog Staff Member

    Dog probably showed this potential before he was ever "rehabilitated". Some dogs should simply be put down rather than "rehabilitated". Like SevenSins, I'd love to know why the dog was in rehab in the first place and what they did to make them think the dog was ok to rehome.

    I would like to see the organization held responsible for the garbage dog they put out. Maybe it would serve as a warning to the save them all crowd.

    A dog can be rehabilitated from counter surfing, or being gun shy, or peeing on the floor. Not from attacking humans.
  7. Nat Ursula

    Nat Ursula Good Dog

    Me too.
  8. Nat Ursula

    Nat Ursula Good Dog

    I agree.
  9. Mgnoob

    Mgnoob Puppy

    Wow that basiclly means
    "we take dogs that are unsuitable for adoption, and adopt them anyway"

    While i am sure they had good intentions, "no kill" is not the world we live in as much as we wish it to not be so
  10. shelbadooba

    shelbadooba Puppy

    Thank you all for your responses. There have been some updates on the story. He was on a euthanasia list after he had bitten a child. Then he was pulled by a rescue and transferred a couple times before ending up at the rehabilitation facility. From what it sounds like, he was delivered with the shock collar.

    As far as the shock collar being on in case he began fixating on other dogs, the center stated he instantly bonded with them so I'm not sure why they would feel that precaution should be necessary especially when there is a 90 year old woman living there. Also, even if the walker did look like a stick or the lady fell and startled him, I do not think that constitutes being mauled for 5 minutes.
  11. Mister

    Mister Little Dog

    No excuses, the dog shouldn't have been alive to be rescued.
  12. brindle

    brindle Little Dog

    From what I read about this, the dog was from ACC in NY on the "To Be Destroyed" list in Dec 2016, he was turned in for biting a child in the home --


    Sounds like the dog was unsound and should have been PTS and not "saved" by a rescue and sent to be "trained/rehabilitated" and then adopted out.

    I don't believe a lot of what is in the news article. This is the one I read --


    How is a pit bull type going to "instantly bond" with 2 strange dogs? What are they talking about with "he put his arms around her neck out of affection" (dogs don't have hands! and out of affection…??) I'd say the woman that adopted him did not know much about dogs and certainly not about pit bull type dogs.

    The attack and death of her mother could most likely have been prevented by her having this new dog that she only had for a few hours on a LEASH!

    If he was leashed, he could not have pushed by and run into the room where her mother was on the floor trying to get up. Sounds like the dog jumped on her, then the mother yelled at him which set him off and he grabbed her arm and started shaking.

    Not a sound dog that was given to stupid owners, the whole thing is a mess and is yet another black eye for the breed…

    Yes the "same them all" mentality is very wrong, some dogs can't and shouldn't be saved. There are good safe dogs that would be fine pets that don't get a chance when money and time is wasted on dogs with poor temperments.
  13. NobodyHere

    NobodyHere Guest

    Yeh, that's about what I figured. These fucking furmom "save the world" "rescues" need to start being held liable for the shitty dogs they sell. If they KNOW the animal has a history of aggression and CHOOSE to sell the animal anyway, there needs to be consequences WHEN that animal injures or kills someone. Better yet, stop allowing animals with a history of human aggression to be sold through the "rescue"/shelter system.
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  14. shelbadooba

    shelbadooba Puppy

    I just read an update that the dog had been adopted out and returned after it attacked the woman's son. Apparently it only barely broke the skin but the dog continued to try and get to the guy after he had closed himself in another room. The rescue is claiming they didn't see any reason not to try and adopt the dog out again because their understanding was that the dog barely nipped the guy. As of now, it doesn't sound like there is any hope of the rescue being held accountable.
  15. brindle

    brindle Little Dog

  16. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    Eeee - gads we agree on something else!

    "Rescue", "rehab", etc has in so many cases not been kind to dogs, especially our breed.
    I think "rescue" has been a prime factor in promoting a popularity for our dogs that would not have been there otherwise.

    I would like to say also that placing ANY dog into that chaotic situation of a woman and daughter and elderly mother along with 2 other dogs would not have been in the best interests of the dog.
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  17. Novy

    Novy Little Dog Premium Member

  18. TWadeJ

    TWadeJ Big Dog

    I am speechless. I hope the rescue owners and operators are indicted for criminal negligence manslaughter.
  19. Derek1

    Derek1 Big Dog

    Me to, these rescue places are hardly ever what they say. A clean death is to good for them.
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  20. Mgnoob

    Mgnoob Puppy

    Besides crimal charges from animal abuse to charges for the womens death.
    I dont care what anyoneone sign or agreed to theyll be sued.

    What a terrible horror story for 77 dogs. This is why when i hear the word rescue i rarely think positive things.

    I personally think before they put down all their dogs, they should let them all lose on these two.

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