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How close to home is too close? Is there a "too close?"

Discussion in 'Dog Debates' started by Swolf, Feb 4, 2013.

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  1. Swolf

    Swolf Little Dog

    How close to home is too close? Is there a "too close?"

    So I'm in a huge debate with myself and decided to see what other bully breed owners think.
    I live in a duplex that's pretty nice about allowing pets. I have my APBT (probably mix) dog Sookie and the people in the duplex connected to mine have a 150 pound Rottie mix (I swear the dog is a Mastiff x Rottie mix but they just say he's a Rottie "obviously even without papers").
    This dog is almost two years old, a sweetheart, and in my opinion an accident waiting to happen.
    He's had no training at all- he'll jump up on you if you get too close and has apparently never learned that nipping is not okay.
    He is never exercised- I have never seen the dog taken for a walk, there is no fenced in yard, and the dog just bounces like crazy when people are around wanting to play. They've said themselves they "can't walk him" because of his size and lack of training, and he's taken to digging holes and playing with rocks he's so under stimulated.
    He's tied up outside most of the day - I have no problem with responsible tethering but IMO that's not what this is at this point when the dog is obviously bored out of his skull.
    He's got what looks like a tumor on his leg and has fleas.
    He gets loose often and when he does it's terrifying. My significant other went outside to find a 150 pounds of dog in our car port snarling at him. He's usually a pretty friendly dog and we do say hello to him (we patted him occasionally but stopped since he will nip hard given half a chance).
    They also told me recently that he bit his male owner, and that the individual bit "deserved it" considering he was hitting the dog in the head with a shoe at the time because he "wouldn't listen."
    All and all pretty irresponsible ownership IMO (and I'm only sharing all this to explain WHY I think these individuals are irresponsible pet owners)

    Now I'm terrified by the news they recently told me. They're planning on getting a new dog, a "Pit Bull" from a litter their daughter's dog had. Basically they're getting a Bully mix of some sort, bred by a horrid breeder, and it's going into a home that already has a nuisance dog that they can't handle.

    So what do you all think?
    In this situation would you say something?
    Would you be more inclined to say something to someone that didn't have a house connected to yours? Or maybe less likely because their pet ownership doesn't directly effect you?
    I'm told by friends that I should mind my own business, but I am honestly afraid of what could happen if they do get this dog. At the same time there's a huge amount of problems that could occur should I say something and they get offended considering our homes are connected.
    Help? :(
     
  2. JoeBingo

    JoeBingo Banned

    "Sweethearts" don't snarl at significant others, nor do they bite their male owners.

    Complain to the property owner about a terrifing, snarling, rude dog that often escapes and may be in need of vet care. The property owner MAY not want that insurance liability on his property.

    OR

    Call Animal Control with your concerns.

    OR

    Start video-taping now and keep a diary when incidents happen. You may need it when you sue your neighbors for one reason or another.
     
  3. marriss770

    marriss770 Good Dog

    A sweetheart accident waiting to happen? He sounds like a dog that just needs more exercise, not a man eater. I don't think you have the right to say anything. It's their business if they want another dog.
     
  4. Swolf

    Swolf Little Dog

    Landlord doesn't care it seems, I've contacted him and have been told he'll "talk to [them] about keeping their dog from getting loose." No change.
    Animal control has been called on five occasions in January alone and never even came out- Once for obvious medical issues/ seeing the owner hit the dog, twice for the dog being loose, and twice for tethering in a county that has it banned.
    Personally I don't blame the dog for biting after being hit multiple times, though that doesn't make him safer.
    I'm at a loss at this point.
    I'm more concerned about a potential genetic mess of a dog being added to this household.
     
  5. marriss770

    marriss770 Good Dog

    Ummm...move? Why do you think the bully mix will be a genetic mess?
     
  6. Ali132

    Ali132 Good Dog

    How close to home is too close? Is there a "too close?"

    Because its from a shitty byb??
     
  7. marriss770

    marriss770 Good Dog

    I have a bully mix from, what I'm assuming was a BYB, and he is amazing!
     
  8. Swolf

    Swolf Little Dog

    It's a blue bully type dog that's a mix of heaven knows what from a backyard breeder that thinks a good "Pit Bull" is a dog that will guard your house with individuals that can not seemingly handle their current dog (and think despite being told 100 times my dog is not good with other dogs in line with her breed that they should have "play dates"). That terrifies me.
    I would happily move (I want a yard anyway) if A. I could afford it (I work full time, significant other works one part time and one full time job), B. I could break my lease easily, and C. could find a rental house in the area willing to accept my dog (we're building a resume and getting a CGC ASAP). Sadly, packing up and moving is neither easy or cheap.

    I'm glad you got lucky with a dog from a backyard breeder, but I personally believe that the minority of good dogs come from them and one is far better either getting a dog from a reputable breeder or at least going to a shelter or rescue that temperament tests.
     
  9. TannerG

    TannerG Boss Member

    i got a good dog from a byb =)
     
  10. Swolf

    Swolf Little Dog

    Uh oh, we're going to end up starting a whole other debate like this! :lol:
     
  11. bringbackup

    bringbackup Big Dog

    a good portion of the people on this forum did lol
     
  12. marriss770

    marriss770 Good Dog

    I got my dog from a rescue, my other 3 as well. I have had 9 dogs and all have come from a shelter or rescue. 3 of them were/are rotties or bully mixes. You never mentioned them wanting a pit bull to guard their home and as far as playing with your own dog,,,,just say no??? There is no such thing as blue bully types.
     
  13. K9 Love

    K9 Love Good Dog

    Carry dog mace and mace that fucker if he comes within 10 feet of you.

    A loose dog here or there happens, actually it happens a lot where I live, but a particular dog loose and growling, nipping and carrying on? No tolerance here. Sounds like the beginnings of a kid mauling story to me. Some kid saunters by and gets mauled by the mutant 150lb Rottweiler.

    After you mace him, I'd go directly and tell them, I just maced your dog because he's running around loose and I don't trust him, nor should I ever be faced with the decision as to whether I have to trust your dog or not. I will continue to mace him if he comes near me loose. Depending on how pissed I was I might offer them some help in managing, training, or point them in the direction of a trainer in your area.

    I don't know, in real life I see loose dogs all the time in my town, but generally, they are all at least friendly, and most of them are pretty well behaved when they are off leash. I've encountered some asshole dogs loose sure, but most owners don't like being called out, or watching their dog get booted in the head or maced either... well except for the lady with the JRT, she didn't give a shit when I grabbed her mutt by the scruff and flung it down the street! :lol: She actually looked glad that someone gave that dog some hell bhahaha.
     
  14. Ali132

    Ali132 Good Dog

    How close to home is too close? Is there a "too close?"

    She said the dog would be a genetic mess, which your dog may seem fine but do some test and x rays in a couple years and see how those hips are.
    Some times ya get lucky and have a sound dog from a bad breeder but most times they aren't.
     
  15. Swolf

    Swolf Little Dog

    Let me rephrase some things then:
    A "blue" colored dog of unknown heritage that has a blocky head, is short, is stocky, weighs roughly 90 pounds, and is considered by the general public to be a "Pit Bull" type dog (AKA a "Bully breed" not an Am Bully).
    In theory a HA dog will be PTS at a shelter and is not the same as buying directly from a BYB IMO.
    The daughter that bred the dogs thinks they should be guard dogs (which to me simply reads 'human aggressive') not that the neighbor necessarily is looking for a guard dog.
    I have said "no" to play dates, but this also reads to me 'individual that does not understand dog aggression is part of the breed history' though arguably I might be reading too much into that one.

    And disclaimer as text doesn't show tone well- I'm being blunt and straight forward so please don't think I'm trying to sound harsh or rude.
     
  16. ssmiechowski

    ssmiechowski Big Dog

    Yes, sometimes people get great dogs from BYB. No surprise here.
    The new dog next door might not be an awesome dog. If I was to bet, I would bet on genetic mess. That being said, I probably own a BYB dog as well, who is wonderful as well.

    I would try to talk to the people next door. Catch more bees with honey than vinegar, you know? If the owner of the property doesn't care, try to get through to the neighbors; that's the first step I would take. Try to make yourself as nice as possible to these people, as hard as it much be. If you act like their friend, they may be more willing to listen. Pretend you are on their side at first, and then slowly try to lure them to “our side”.
    And as for their current dog, boot him in the head. Or carry mace, lol. I refuse to let a loose dog growl at me without some kind of repercussions. If the owners don't like it, tough. They shouldn't have their dog running around loose all the time.
     
  17. marriss770

    marriss770 Good Dog

    It wouldn't matter to me what issues he had medically. My first pit bull type dog I adopted from the humane society I worked at. His limping was diagnosed as something to do with his paw. Turned out he scored 3 on one hip, 4 on the other. We did an FHO on both hips, 6 months apart. I think I was lucky to simply have him in my life. He taught me how wonderful this type of dog was!
     
  18. marriss770

    marriss770 Good Dog

    Blue is a color not a breed or type
     
  19. Swolf

    Swolf Little Dog

    Mace is a wonderful idea, we already have it for walks for unleashed dogs.
    And don't tell me kid mauling waiting to happen. My significant other has two children from a previous marriage that will be here at the end of this week. Just what I need to worry about, them attempting to go over and "pet the nice doggy." (Insert hair pulling here)
    I honestly do think he really could be a good dog with some work, and they keep saying he's going to training as soon as they can afford it, but I'll believe that when I see it (besides what trainer is going to work with a dog that isn't UTD on shots, fixed, has a large growth on his leg, and fleas?).
    I still have to worry about treading lightly as well with connected houses though, they get upset and I'm sure they could cause issues for our household.
     
  20. mykidshavetails

    mykidshavetails Little Dog

    So they can't afford to properly train or provide vet care for their current dog, and their bright idea is to add another dog?? Ugh. That could be an angle you could approach from. That new puppies are expensive and you know they've been trying to save up for their current boy. (As others said, come to them as a friend giving friendly advice)
     
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