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History Lesson

This was sent to me and asked to be posted. Short and brief but you get the point. Thanks

UKC HISTORY
Established in 1898 to provide a registry to keep a pedigree and statistics on working pit dogs

AKC
Opened stud books to the APBT and changed the name to the American Staffordshire Terrier to remove the word PIT and the inference of the fighting they put a physical standard on the breed and the dogs were selectively bred to fit the standard (still Pitbulls )

HISTORY

Recognized by UKC in 2013
The American Bully breed developed as a natural extension of the American Pit Bull Terrier. The APBT has maintained a characteristic appearance and temperament for over 100 years. As with any long-standing breed, several types evolved from the parent breed, with one in particular taking on a specific build and structure that is so unique it was wise to recognize it as a different breed altogether. That being the American Bully breed.
 
In 1898 the United Kennel Club (UKC) was formed with the express intent of providing registration and fighting guidelines for the now officially-named American Pit Bull Terrier. One of the founders, C. Z. Bennett assigned the UKC registration number 1 to his own APBT, Bennett's Ring in 1898. From that moment on, cross breeding was no longer accepted. Later, those who wished to distance themselves from the fighting aspect of the breed petitioned the American Kennel Club (AKC) for recognition of the American Pit Bull Terrier so that it would be eligible for dog shows and other performance events. The AKC conceded on the 10th of June, 1936, but only under the stipulation that the dogs registered with them be called "Staffordshire Terriers", the name of the province in England in which the breed supposedly originated.
They were AKC registered as "Staffordshire Terriers" in 1936 .
(STILL AMERICAN PITBULL TERRIERS)
 
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NobodyHere

Guest
So what you're saying is that someone who can't be bothered to post for themselves sent you this crap and asked you to post on their behalf (I guess my first question is, are they banned here, or just a coward?), and this is supposed to be an argument for AmStaffs AND American Bullies being the same breed as the American Pit Bull Terrier?

Do you think that Staffordshire Bull Terriers and American Pit Bull Terriers are the same breed as well? Why or why not?
 

BCdogs

Good Dog
Super Moderator
Sure, they originally started out as the same breed. But as Shana said, it has been over 70 years, and a lot of selective breeding has taken the Amstaff in a completely different direction. They are absolutely NOT the same breed. Both their physical appearance, and their general temperament/demeanors are very noticeably different.
 

ShanaRowan

FlirtPolin'
Premium Member
Oh wait.

Let me guess... the breeder who sold you your American Bully mutt as an APBT is still grasping at straws to justify their mislabeling?
 
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NobodyHere

Guest
Recognized by UKC in 2013
The American Bully breed developed as a natural extension of the American Pit Bull Terrier. The APBT has maintained a characteristic appearance and temperament for over 100 years. As with any long-standing breed, several types evolved from the parent breed, with one in particular taking on a specific build and structure that is so unique it was wise to recognize it as a different breed altogether. That being the American Bully breed.

So... This thing, being one of the earliest and more influential dogs in American Bully breeding, was supposedly a "natural extension of the American Pit Bull Terrier."

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But this is where those people draw the line and say "nah, not an APBT anymore?"

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Ok then. :lol:
 

Lillie May

Good Dog
Sure, they originally started out as the same breed. But as Shana said, it has been over 70 years, and a lot of selective breeding has taken the Amstaff in a completely different direction. They are absolutely NOT the same breed. Both their physical appearance, and their general temperament/demeanors are very noticeably different.
Not to mention the fact they didn't add American to AKC Staffordshire Terriers until 1972, so they wouldn't be confused with the English Staffordshire Terrier. They are a separate breed from APBT.