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Discussion in 'Pit Bull Puppy Discussions' started by Gizzle, Jan 3, 2019.

  1. Gizzle

    Gizzle Puppy

    Hey guys I’m new on here and I just recently got a pit bull puppy as a gift. It was a litter of 9 puppies, 7 females and 2 boys. I was told they were pure breed blue noses but then again there were no papers or anything. So every puppy came out gray and white except the one I got which came out brown and white which I found odd. Also he was the 2nd smallest in the litter and he is about 6 weeks. I guess my question and concern is if that’s possible and if it isn’t then my guess is they aren’t pure breed. Also him being the 2nd smallest would he grow to be the same size as the rest of the litter? Thank you all, all input is appreciated.
     

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  2. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

    Without papers you wont know for sure. And in my opinion, 6 weeks is too young to be taken from the mother. Did you see the parents of the pup?
     
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  3. Gizzle

    Gizzle Puppy

    Yes I saw both mom and dad, mom looks legit but not about dad.
     

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  4. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Staff Member Super Moderator

    Without papers it's hard to tell.
     
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  5. Gizzle

    Gizzle Puppy

    Mom looks like a pit for sure but like I said not about dad. Pure ness is not too important to me but what caught my attention is the color difference and for him to be the only one that came out that color is weird to me.
     
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  6. oldman

    oldman Puppy

    He is not pure pit bull. Just the color will tell you that.
     
  7. Gizzle

    Gizzle Puppy

    That’s what through me off and what’s crazy is that all the other pups look pure and he’s the only one that came out that color
     
  8. AGK

    AGK Scratch Kingz Staff Member Super Moderator

    And blue nose isn't a type of APBT. Its just a color of the nose.
     
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  9. oldman

    oldman Puppy

    It wasn't the color of the pup. It is the color of the parents. Blue pit bulls nowdays are not pure pits. The blue color is a sign of being crossed. The last blue pit bulls I saw was in the mid 1980's. A few years later some people crossed the pit bull with other breeds to produce the blue dogs.
     
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  10. AGK

    AGK Scratch Kingz Staff Member Super Moderator

    Blue is just a dilution of the black gene. Anyone who breeds a family of Black dogs can still throw that color on rare occasions. Can still have grey dogs that are true APBT. Its just very rare. I believe Floyd B had a litter with one just a few years ago.
    Not common but genetically very possible.
    Lol I would never bet on one though.

    D (dilute) locus. This genetic site is responsible for diluted pigment which lightens coats from black or brown to gray or blue or very pale brown.A mutation in the melanophilin (MLPH) gene is the cause of color dilution. The two alleles associated with dilution are D (dominant full color) and d (recessive dilute). It takes two recessives (dd) to lighten black pigment to gray or blue and red pigment to cream.

    I do however, anytime I see that color, doubt it's a real APBT. Bellon clubs Gr ch soga is the most famous one i can think of off the top of my head.
     
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  11. oldman

    oldman Puppy

    Take a look at the mature blue dog which is the parent of the dog in question. In todays blue pit bulls the blue color comes mostly from the mastiff blood mixed into the breed in the 1990's. The mature dog shows more mastiff than any other breed. It is very easy to see the dog is crossed.
     
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  12. AGK

    AGK Scratch Kingz Staff Member Super Moderator

    I agree in this pups case. I was just saying it's not impossible to still get a gamebred dog that is grey in todays world. Unlikey but possible. This pup Most likely is not APBT. Fully agree.
     
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  13. oldman

    oldman Puppy

    There used to be some very good blue dogs in north Texas. I haven't heard anything about them in many years.
    Even the old Watchdogs were not that bad before Courtier sold out.
     
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  14. AGK

    AGK Scratch Kingz Staff Member Super Moderator

    For sure.
    This has always been a topic I could play devil's advocate with on either side of the topic.
    On one hand, you could prove that there have been true working dogs that were gray in color, and, maybe still today around in some very very small percent today. That would be someones gamber delight. On the other hand, Hearing about it and seeing it are 2 different things. I have seen one but I would disqualify it as it was a 37 lb. 7 min break pumper.

    I do agree with you though, I ain't heard of one in many a moon.
    When some I meet or come in contact with says they have a blue pitbull, I automatically think, no you don't and your going to have to show me for me to really believe that. Lol.

    Same with the color merle.
     
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  15. Gizzle

    Gizzle Puppy

    Yeah I
    thank you for the input. I figured he wasn’t a pure breed. Idk wth he is, and he was the 2nd smallest out of the litter so he’s kinda tiny. I guess I’m just gonna have to wait and see as he grows
     
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  16. oldman

    oldman Puppy

    Merle is definitely something to avoid. The blues in Texas were tall slim dogs with jaws like a trap.
    I don't care for the white doge either.

    I have wondered if blue is a dilute black how can a pair of dogs throw a blue pup where there isn't a black dog in their history?
     
  17. AGK

    AGK Scratch Kingz Staff Member Super Moderator

    Both parents would have to have a (d) locus recessive gene. By breeding 2 dogs together that both carry the gene (d) locus recessive would make it (dd) dominate in the offspring. I believe anyway. I only dabble in genetics lightly.
     
  18. oldman

    oldman Puppy

    On the bottom there wasn't any black dogs in the 7 generation pedigree. If I remember right there wasn't a black dog anywhere in her background at all.
    The top didn't have any blacks until, I think Black Jack Jr.
    The top was a black brindle and the bottom was a fawn. The first litter they had was one red red nose, one fawn brindle red nose, one red black nose, and a blue brindle.
    Surprised me to see a blue brindle. Wasn't really expecting a red nose either.
     
  19. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    Your pup appears to be blue fawn (will have a blue nose). Those two dogs could produce it. The 2 parents are black dogs on the color locus and both parents are dd for dilution (color and dilution carried separately). They can ONLY produce dilute (blue) dogs. And can produce the fawn, but it will be diluted (blue fawn)
    Those parents probably have American Staffordshire Terrier in them and once you cross them into Pit Bull pedigrees, many consider them cross-bred, even though UKC for a long time considered them APBTs. There are blue UKC Pit Bulls all over the place.
     
  20. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    Dilution is carried separately from color and is recessive. Any color dog can carry it. If 2 carriers meet up, they can produce dilute dogs (blue fawn, blue brindle, blue -- depending on what color the dogs are).
     

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