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Hello new here and to Amstaff

Discussion in 'Introductions' started by djson, Jan 18, 2019.

  1. djson

    djson Puppy

    Hi everyone
    I have just taken on 2 Amstaff, 3 years old, 1 male 1 female, always been together.
    I don't know much more about them.

    The female seems very timid, although she comes to me, lets me touch her, even when shes eating.
    Always has her tail down.
    She is aggressive to other dogs.

    She will not tolerate a muzzle, i can out it on, but she will fight every second, for every mm of the walk.
    I suspect she has not been out much, because of this, as she seems unsure of outside.
    The male is much more self confident. He is ok with the muzzle, and today, (5th day) i let him run around and he came back to me; well i should say, followed the female and myself back to the house.

    Any advice about these dogs would be much appreciated.

    Do they make good guard dogs? Will they protect me if someone comes to the house, or attacked me?

    Thanks
     
  2. Michele

    Michele Chi Super Dog Staff Member Administrator

    Welcome
     
  3. Nat Ursula

    Nat Ursula Good Dog

    welcome, i dont think i would walk them together at this point. you could have problems. also, you should have a break stick in case they grab onto a dog or other animal.
     
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  4. oldman

    oldman Little Dog

    Letting one of them off the lead is not a good idea unless it is in an area where there are no other animals. A large area.
     
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  5. Nat Ursula

    Nat Ursula Good Dog

    i was going to say that too.
     
  6. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    And make it a fenced area. Where are you from?
     
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  7. Packleader

    Packleader Puppy

    Welcome

    I agree with others above. Walk one at a time, have a break stick just in case. If there are dog aggression issues, try your best to avoid getting to close to other dogs. Make sure their collars and leads are very sturdy, these dogs are VERY strong. Read as much as you can handle on the breed, the more you know the better off you are going to be.

    Normally, the breed is too people friendly to make good guard dogs (mine have always been good noise makers though). If they show people aggression you are looking for trouble
     
  8. djson

    djson Puppy

    They have been together since they were 3 months, or so i am told, they are certainly inseparable.
    Because the female will not tolerate a muzzle, she just gets completely stressed, and fights it.
    She has to stay next to me.
    I live in the middle on nowhere, well actually 2 miles outside town, and i can see for miles.

    Cars and bicycles do go past the send of my land, but not normally people walking.

    He has a muzzle on of course.
     
  9. djson

    djson Puppy

    Well I'm from UK, however i live in the south of Spain. i have land that my dogs, run around, it is not fenced, not much is fenced here. Only close to the property, is fenced.

    I don't want them going to the toilet there, and they do need exercise.

    I also have an EBT and a Spanish Mastin. Who i exercise by riding along the lane, and they run around where ever they like.
     
  10. djson

    djson Puppy

    I have read that they are too people friendly to make good guard dogs, but i have the Mastin for that, he is only 15 months old, but they are excellent guards, and he already at such a young age, will keep other dogs away from me.

    He is not so good at keeping people away though, he has not had so much experience with people, but he will get the idea, of course i need someone to attack me, to really see that he will protect me, and of course i don't want that.

    I think i like these because they are really people friendly, they follow me around everywhere, and want to be with me.

    The others not so much, and my Rottie, i had for 5 years until she died, was not so much of a be next to me dog.
     
  11. djson

    djson Puppy

    What are they like at protecting you if someone is showing aggression towards you?

    The EBT and especially the Rottie would not tolerate the slightest sign of aggression.
     
  12. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    Growing up together like that, they will probably be fine together. Why do they have to have a muzzle on if they are on your property and you are out in the country?
     
  13. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    Yes, don't depend on the Am Stafs to be natural, aggressive guard dogs. Some of them are very good at reading a situation and acting if you are truly in danger. But as with most dogs, to be a reliable guard that will fight a man, the dogs need to have special training. Sounds like all you might need is that Mastiff, who will be a better every day "guard".
    Be sure you work on re-calling your Am Stafs when they are out running around. Have treats or toys on you so that when they return to you, they get a reward.
     
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  14. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    That is really an individual thing. I once had a bitch that was friendly to everyone until one day when I was truly threatened and she did jump on the guy and just held him there without really being aggressive about it. The guy was shouting and gesturing wildly and that was enough to make her suspicious and she acted appropriately in that situation. But not all of them will do that. You really don't know until something happens. So if someone needs a RELIABLE guard, any dog needs training I think.
     
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  15. oldman

    oldman Little Dog

    Many years ago I married a woman who didn't like dogs and never had seen a real pit bull. I had a 8 month old male and a 6 month old female that I kept in the yard around my house. She got to know them very well but wondered if they would protect her. I let her take them out to a nearby lake to exercise them. I hid in the trees and waited for her to come along with the two pups. Like a fool I ran out of the trees toward her yelling and waving my arms. Before they found out it was me both pups had attacked me. The female was a little slower but the male had jumped for my throat before he saw it was me. Sort of surprised me. The pup had some hair from my beard in his mouth. My wife never questioned the dogs again and kept one with her everywhere she went.
     
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  16. djson

    djson Puppy

    Here they are a dangerous dog, so they need a licence, muzzle and must be on a 3ft lead in public.
    when i walk them, im not always on my property, and only around my house is fenced, so even on my grounds, they could run off.
    Though they don't show any signs of doing so, but it has only been a week, and i'm not sure if i can c all them back, if they do. the male will follow me, the female, who is on a lead all the time because she will not tolerate the muzzle, so shes on a lead always.
     
  17. djson

    djson Puppy

    About 10 years ago, i was attacked my 2 drunken men. now im almost 60, and feel that im vulnerable living alone, in the country. Though it was not here that i was attacked. so after the attack, i got my first dog ever, a 4 year old female Rottweiler. Had a lot to learn about her. She died 2 years ago, i was then given a 2 1/2 year old EBT who is a bit on the crazy side, ive had him 2 years now, and hes great at guarding, he will attack people, if the needs must, where as the young Mastin, although barks and shows some character, backs off from people, if they keep on coming.

    However, i'm teaching him, to go forwards on command, and return, he's very good at returning.

    It is difficult to get them to attack, unless you actually attack someone.

    Naturally the Mastin will defend its family if they are in danger. However, most people who have approached us on the land back off when he starts barking, and i have the EBT if ever i need him.
    The 2 Am staffs (and from what i've read, i don't think they are) they seem to be smaller, than what i found online, and to me look and behave like my friends Staffordshire bull terrier.

    they are real friendly and like to be with me, they both seem to follow me around, so i'm looking to keep them for the company as much as anything, the Mastin, who is only 15 months will probably live another 10 plus years, and he's the one for real guarding.
     
  18. Nat Ursula

    Nat Ursula Good Dog

    im so sorry to hear what you went through.
     
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  19. djson

    djson Puppy

  20. djson

    djson Puppy

    Well I found out what it means to have a pit bull.
    The EBT is and as long as I've had him, been very moody, so last week, he decided to simply ignore me, when I was calling him for going out.

    He then decided to go and sit in the bed of Kirchen, so I went to get him, when he decided to snap at me. Which by the way he does often.

    Kirchen destroyed him, and the pair ended up under the van, for about an 30 minutes before they calmed down and I could call Kirchen off. He did release but stayed just next to the EBT until I could get him out and on a lead.

    Now the EBT is aggressive and can really fight, he fended off 4 large dogs in a field last year who decided to attack us when we where out walking.

    So I know he can fight.

    What really surprised me, what that Kirchen attached himself to the neck and just stayed there pulling and pulling and biting.

    Bear the EBT could do nothing against him, and eventually just surrendered.

    He knows where he stand now.

    The pit bulls are so calm until they are not!
     

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