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Health Testing and Breeding

Discussion in 'Dog Debates' started by odnarb, Jul 8, 2011.

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  1. Cynthia

    Cynthia Good Dog

    Does not matter is they are affected. They are still carriers of the disease. And can produce more carriers and even affected dogs. I believe when Boog said affected he meant affected as in carrier or have the disease. Either way you are passing the genetic defect on to offspring.
  2. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    Well, we've had lines of Am Stafs that for much longer than 15 years were carrying ataxia (we now know) and we never saw affecteds. So, are you saying that because we never saw affected dogs FROM those dogs that it shouldn't be necessary to do the ataxia test on those dogs now? They never "showed" any ataxia!


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    And you're not when you breed "clear" hearts and hips (because THOSE tests are not definitive!)


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    Okay, why does the posting process do this when i reply immediately to another post? It did not used to do this -- it just added to the original post!
  3. Boogieman

    Boogieman Good Dog Premium Member

    And when you breed CLEAR to CLEAR you are 100% eliminating the problem which is what all breeders with affected dogs should be doing IMO. Especially if you're going to preach about health testing.

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    Round and round we gooooooooooooooooo. Where it stops, noooooooooooooooooooooooobody knows!!! LOLOLOLOL
  4. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    Responsible breeders are not producing affecteds and they are REDUCING the incidence of CARRIERS. When you don't breed AFFECTEDS, you have fewer carriers! We don't HAVE to throw away otherwise good dogs -- more than likely, we would introduce or concentrate some other even more lethal genetic problem! By responsibly breeding carriers, we can ELIMINATE the disease, it will just take longer and it can be done WITHOUT introducing something WORSE. We also have buyers that have learned to ignore breeders that cannot tell them the status of their dogs -- that is education and PROGRESS, don't you think?

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  5. Cynthia

    Cynthia Good Dog

    Pretty much.
    Yes testing allows us to make better choices with breeding. Also a dog with a genetic defect can be a good dog. A Pet dog. It boils down to if you know your dog has a genetic defect. And could pass that genetic defect onto their offspring. And their offspring could pass that on and so forth. That is not a responsible thing to do. Yes it is more responsible than breeding a carrier to a carrier. It sounds like a bunch of excuses from people who can not admit that their dog is subpar and should not be bred. Yes it is disappointing to find out that what you have planned can not be done because your dog is defective. However if your dog comes back with a known disease or a carrier of a known disease then it should not be bred period. If you know and are still breeding it. That is far worse than not testing. Because you have conformation. This thread is running in circles. And going no where.
  6. bdcraft

    bdcraft Big Dog

    i didn't know we had hall monitor on the board.

    so let me get this straight that if you know that you are breeding crap it is ok. i just want to make sure i can read
  7. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    1. YOU are passing on genetic defects every time you breed a "clear" hip or heart.

    2. Let me know when you can guarantee every breeder in 25 years will be responsible.


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    So, carrier status is as "defective" as affected status?

    In other words, to you, carrier and affected are genetically and phenotypically EXACTLY the same and should be treated the same?

  8. Boogieman

    Boogieman Good Dog Premium Member

    No that isn't progress in the least. That is you justifying breeding turds.
  9. Cynthia

    Cynthia Good Dog

    What it boils down to is people are going to justify what they want to do regardless of outcome. And that applies to any decision in life.

    To each their own. Your property your decision. Your right.

    I would hope love of the breed and betterment of the breed will make them do what is actually right. Not what they want to be right. Regardless of breed.

    This thread is becoming a never ending circle.

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