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Health Testing and Breeding

Discussion in 'Dog Debates' started by odnarb, Jul 8, 2011.

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  1. Cynthia

    Cynthia Good Dog

    Funny I spoke with a Board Certified Cardiologist at the Referral center today about OFA testing. While the dog can be cleared of any defects that they may have. However that is ONLY Congenital Heart Disease. That does not mean they will not develop heart disease as they age themselves.

    And there is NO genetic test like there is one for Ataxia and other genetic diseases for Carriers. So while your dog may not be affected with any congenital heart issues. That does not mean that they are not a Carrier.

    As well as ANY Vet can do an OFA exam. And for some breeds that you do not need an Echo. So while that GP is doing the OFA exam things could be missed. A Board Certified Cardiologist is a bit more experienced than a GP.

    Here is a Registry that ONLY allows results from Board Certified Vets.

    The ACVIM Foundation, in partnership with the CARE Foundation and Prelude Dynamics, is pleased to announce the ACVIM Registry of Cardiac Health (ARCH). This registry offers reliable certification to breeders and pet owners that their animals are free of congenital and adult onset heart disease, and exams are conducted solely by Board-certified veterinary cardiologists.

  2. Sydney

    Sydney Big Dog

    Some people don't have board certified cardioligists in their area. We are fortunate enough that we have one an hour from us in either direction, but does that mean that they shouldn't check simply because it's not a cardiologist? I'd say no. Sydney's OFA-cardiac was done by a cardiologist, and I wouldn't have it any other way, but I have that option whereas some others do not.
  3. bdcraft

    bdcraft Big Dog

    I see everyone talking about dyplasia testing. for game dogs it was not needed and not a big problem. when pits were between the weights of 30-50LB this was a rare problem. dyplasia is more common in large dogs. yes little dogs can get it but you seen it more in the overweight little dogs not the terrier breed. i think health testing is the last on the list of a dog should breed. Only talking pits, a dog can have the best health test ever and have no heart or working ability do you still mate it cause the health test is good
  4. odnarb

    odnarb Little Dog

    Well, the Pug is #2 for frequency of hip dysplasia. I isn't bother looking past #20, but noticed that the Norfolk and Glen of Imaal were in that top 20. Both small terrier breeds. It is a misconception that this is only a large breed problem. There are some giant breeds that remain relatively unaffected and small breeds where it is a huge issue.

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  5. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    That's right. There is nothing DEFINITIVE when it comes to things like heart disease and hip dysplasia. There are most likely many, many genes that affect the disease process in these instances. Yes, you COULD have a "carrier".

    We all know the instances of where a dysplastic dog is produced from dogs that are OFA clear and there are dogs produced from dogs that have clear echocardiograms -- because those dogs can STILL "carry" some of the genes that produce disease.

    Because dogs can "carry" genes that produce these diseases, they shouldn't be bred, should they?

  6. Boogieman

    Boogieman Good Dog Premium Member

    This is a pretty lame attempt at trying to compare dogs that could carry a heart defect when there is absolutely no way to detect it definitively, vs breeding your dogs that are affected by ataxia and are carriers when you have the definitive test to prove it. Trying to justify breeding the dogs is honestly pathetic.
  7. odnarb

    odnarb Little Dog

    What is lame is not bothering to test for anything because it has show titles (or no titles) and has a desirable pedigree.

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  8. Boogieman

    Boogieman Good Dog Premium Member

    LOL this coming from somebody who has a turd whose littermates have already tested positive for ataxia LOLOLOL I find it hilarious when the health test debate bites the people who are so big on it right on the ass hahahahahahahaha
  9. VonKromeHaus

    VonKromeHaus Good Dog

    At least they're health testing and have a better idea of what runs in their dogs. They're not totally relying on "good genetics" that have never ever been tested for anything!
  10. Boogieman

    Boogieman Good Dog Premium Member

    Yeah and then breeding the defects anyway LOLOLOLOL Yeah they are really doing the right thing hahahahahaha Good thing they are doing that health testing :lol:

    You fuckers crack me up!!!!!!!
  11. retro

    retro Little Dog

    which of her dog's littermates were affected by ataxia?
  12. bdcraft

    bdcraft Big Dog

    i pug is a overweight dog in most cases which i said. i eill keep it simple for you how i stand. i don't care if the dog got two bad hips if it works. if a dog had great hips and wouldn't work i would kill it, but if a dog had a bad hip and would work he would stay.
  13. Boogieman

    Boogieman Good Dog Premium Member

    I mean seriously, preaching health testing, I would have to assume it would be so you could eliminate the genetic faults you could prove your dogs have

    Then you find out you have a genetic fault, BUT BREED IT ANYWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!1 LOL Seriously, don't preach to people who don't health test hahahahaha Doing that is 10x worse than never health testing. :) I just can' get over it lol Stay on your pulpit of health testing though LOL It's really accomplish8ing a lot!!! bwahahahahaha

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    Go search her posts. She talks about it. Sire is affected (if i remember right could be the mother) and littermates are affected. I'm not gonna dig it up for you, but it's there. Not too far back in her post count.
  14. VonKromeHaus

    VonKromeHaus Good Dog

    Why resort to name calling? They are using the genetic test to improve the breed by not breeding affected dogs. By breeding carriers to clear dogs, they have good chances on getting clear dogs and no affected. I would do it a bit different but not much. They are using science to improve their breed.

    At least they are doing the health testing and KNOW what their dogs have and do not have. Anyone that would breed a dysplastic dog IMHO is a very "simple" person with no care or idea of how things truly affect a dog.
  15. Boogieman

    Boogieman Good Dog Premium Member

    Breeding known affected dogs is in no way, shape, or form IMPROVING anything. So you can stand with the turdness all you want. Preaching it to others, yet breeding affected garbage is as lame as it gets!!

    Now I don't know what you are inferring by your statement about dysplastic dogs, but anytime you want to test any of mine, feel free I'll post any and all results you want to pay for right here on this forum! :D It seems you are implying my dogs are affected by hip problems. Don't pull your bullshit because you know you're full of shit.

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    Oh and just who did I call names? Is it because I said you fuckers crack me up LOL Seriously you're stretching trying to get me in forum trouble lol
  16. bdcraft

    bdcraft Big Dog

    how are they making the breed better. we will talk about your breed the gsd. When they started doing the dysplastic test on them the dogs went to shit. cause people forgot the important part working ability. Now gsd got great hips with no work ability.

  17. Boogieman

    Boogieman Good Dog Premium Member

    There's no reasoning with the stupidity. They preach the testing, yet breed the defects they find, yet try to run down people who don't test LOL. There's no talking about logic with the illogical. You can have a line of dogs going for 15 years that has never had any problems show, yet you should health test LOL. Yet they have known carriers of a devastating neurological disorder, yet they breed it anyway and they are bettering their breed. hahahahahahahaha Seriously that says it all!!!!
  18. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    So, it's better to breed dogs that are "iffy" for passing on heart defects than it is to KNOW that by breeding a carrier to a clear you WILL NOT produce affected dogs?


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    Who the hell said ANYTHING about breeding known AFFECTED dogs?

  19. odnarb

    odnarb Little Dog

    Actually, you should go back and look. I said that my 10yo neutered dog might be a carrier, as it turned out that his long spayed mother was a carrier. My dog's littermate brother was clear. His sister died of complications from a spay before the test ever came out.

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  20. Sagebrush

    Sagebrush Good Dog

    Sure, you can compare them....when you breed dogs that DO pass their cardiac and hips (I'm not saying you SHOULD NOT breed them), you are TENDING to breed AWAY from problems and REDUCING the frequency OF those problems -- but NOT eliminating them. Breeding is all about reducing frequencies.*

    When you breed dogs that are KNOWN carriers to clears (which you can ONLY do because we have the test), you are TENDING to breed AWAY from the disease and REDUCING the frequency of carriers AND affecteds -- but again, NOT eliminating them (although we can come CLOSER to elimination than say with heart and hips BECAUSE the test is so definitive!)

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