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Celestial88

Good Dog
According to who? Wolves aren't e/e, that color is impossible in that cross.

The dog's breeder, I can share more info via PM if you'd like. Is the only yellow expressed in Labs e/e? I thought they had dominant red as well. (The dog did have snow nose, it's completely black again now that it's summer)
 
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NobodyHere

Guest
The dog's breeder, I can share more info via PM if you'd like. Is the only yellow expressed in Labs e/e? I thought they had dominant red as well. (The dog did have snow nose, it's completely black again now that it's summer)

Nearly all purebred Labs are homozygous black, yellows and all shades of yellow are e/e. They lied. ;)
 

_unoriginal

Cow Dog
Out here it is a periodic organized hunt. Coyote are common, but shy. Honestly they don't do much harm but this coy dog pack got huge and learned to hunt livestock. They also maim, not kill. And they are BIG! I had them in my yard killing a deer on night while boo was on her spot. I now haven't problem with the hunts. At least they are not poisoning or using hook lines.

Our coyotes aren't shy. They're ballsy. They will approach you if they think they have something to gain. On multiple occasions, they've snatched up small dogs that are outside on a leash with the owner on the other end. They used to be nocturnal but now they roam and hunt in the daylight.
 

Lovesalldogs2013

Little Dog
coydogs

Here's the odd behaviors:

I have never heard her hiss. She is a very very very submissive animal. Pee submissive. I have seen her react *defensively* once. I think it was a fear reaction. She did the basic curled up body thing, open mouth snarl. A warning to the other dogs, back the f*ck up you are making me feel uncomfortable. After that they were fine and the stray's stayed with us for two days. No violence erupted between the dog's. The heeded her warning and backed off.
 

Lovesalldogs2013

Little Dog
What is e/e? I will admit, I thought I had a pretty good understanding of dog's. Then I found this site. I now realize, holy crap there is so much to learn.
 

ownedbyBOO

Little Dog
The coy dogs here work in a pack. At least what I witnessed. Attacking a yearling buck, attacking each other, omg before they started the hunts the noise level of nightly fighting was awful. They are night active around here. And that's how it got to be such a problem. They were blaming the nightly ruckus on my dog because they know I put her out for an hour at night. And when some baby goats got tore up at night they thought it might be her loose. I told them to come down at 1am and listen to the hollow.
 

Celestial88

Good Dog
I have never heard her hiss. She is a very very very submissive animal. Pee submissive. I have seen her react *defensively* once. I think it was a fear reaction. She did the basic curled up body thing, open mouth snarl. A warning to the other dogs, back the f*ck up you are making me feel uncomfortable. After that they were fine and the stray's stayed with us for two days. No violence erupted between the dog's. The heeded her warning and backed off.

The Coyote gape is very odd looking compared to a dog snarl. Here's a example of it, the video might be graphic to some.(It's pretty mild) It's 3 dogs barking at a Coyote that showed up on their property.
[video=youtube;m4BpZuybuMM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4BpZuybuMM[/video]



And e/e is recessive red, it's when no black can be expressed in the coat. So a dog can carry the genes for different black markings like masking or sabling, but you won't be able to see it.
http://www.doggenetics.co.uk/masks.html
Recessive Red
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The other two E locus genes are E (normal extension) and e (recessive red). Normal extension simply allows a dog to express its other genes on other locii normally. To put it simply, it has no effect on the dog. Recessive red, however, produces a much more visible effect. A dog which is homozygous for recessive red, so has the genotype ee, will be completely red. Its nose will remain black (or liver, blue or isabella, whatever its eumelanin pigment colour is), and so will its eye rims and lips, but the rest of its coat will be solid red (with or without white markings and ticking). This is because the recessive red gene, in effect, gives the skin cells a disability (but not a harmful one!) - it stops them from being able to produce eumelanin. It is therefore impossible for a recessive red dog to have any black (or liver, blue or isabella) in its coat.​
Recessive red, although recessive in its own series, is dominant over almost everything else. Dominant black, sable, tan points, wolf grey, merle, and any other pattern with black in it will be turned to solid red by the recessive red gene. This, in a way, is the danger of recessive red - it's a dog breeder's worst nightmare because it can mask so much. It's impossible to know from looking at a recessive red dog whether it carries sable, tan points, brindle, or any other A or K locus gene, and so impossible to know what it will pass down to its puppies unless you know its family history. A recessive red dog could even be merle while still appearing solid red, and this is a problem that has arisen in Pomeranians. Merle is a recent addition to the Pomeranian breed, and breeders are worried that double merles will be bred by accident because recessive red is so common in the breed. The only way to tell if a recessive red dog is merle is if it has blue eyes (which not all merles do), so it would be easy to accidently breed two merles together if you had a hazy knowledge of genetics and thought merle was always visible because it is dominant. See the double merle page for information on why merle to merle breedings are dangerous
 
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Lovesalldogs2013

Little Dog
The coy dogs here work in a pack. At least what I witnessed. Attacking a yearling buck, attacking each other, omg before they started the hunts the noise level of nightly fighting was awful. They are night active around here. And that's how it got to be such a problem. They were blaming the nightly ruckus on my dog because they know I put her out for an hour at night. And when some baby goats got tore up at night they thought it might be her loose. I told them to come down at 1am and listen to the hollow.

I hear them all the time at night also, they are so LOUD!! You would think they are in your living room.

Not coydogs, actual coyotes.
 
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Lovesalldogs2013

Little Dog
The Coyote gape is very odd looking compared to a dog snarl. Here's a example of it, the video might be graphic to some.(It's pretty mild) It's 3 dogs barking at a Coyote that showed up on their property.
[video=youtube;m4BpZuybuMM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4BpZuybuMM[/video]



And e/e is recessive red, it's when no black can be expressed in the coat. So a dog can carry the genes for different black markings like masking or sabling, but you won't be able to see it.
http://www.doggenetics.co.uk/masks.html

Just so I understand. Would this be an example?

For the e/e.
 

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ownedbyBOO

Little Dog
They thought it was coyotes but after taking out some, sizes went up around 70 lbs. and they are stockier than expected, and the coat on some is textured wrong. That chunk of land used to be farmed with working Pyrenees dogs. The farmer quit working about 6 years ago. That's when we first started hearing coyotes, but its very rural out here, live and let live until its a problem. But last summer it became a problem.
 

CallSignOWL

Good Dog
I wasn't being sarcastic. It is very common here for people to shoot coyotes on the spot. Especially when they are near houses. Id hate for someones dog to be mistaken for one.
 

Lovesalldogs2013

Little Dog
I wasn't being sarcastic. It is very common here for people to shoot coyotes on the spot. Especially when they are near houses. Id hate for someones dog to be mistaken for one.

For sure, I apologize for misunderstanding what you were trying to say. Thanks for helping and the suggestion. It makes sense. I just needed to look at it from a different perspective! :blush:
 

Swolf

Little Dog
I was thinking Shiba mix myself, maybe a Shiba mixed with a northern breed of some sort and/or German Shepherd. The Shiba would explain the foxy look and the husky or GSD could explain the coloring.
I would also agree in taking great care in making her look like a pet because an animal that looks like her could be mistaken for a wild animal and would be especially terrifying to some people running up for attention.
I don't know the laws in your area but I would also advice never even making it sound like you think she's part wild canine of some sort- Most of those crosses are either illegal or require special enclosures in most areas and often mean a shelter pick up is a one way trip.
 

Lovesalldogs2013

Little Dog
I was thinking Shiba mix myself, maybe a Shiba mixed with a northern breed of some sort and/or German Shepherd. The Shiba would explain the foxy look and the husky or GSD could explain the coloring.
I would also agree in taking great care in making her look like a pet because an animal that looks like her could be mistaken for a wild animal and would be especially terrifying to some people running up for attention.
I don't know the laws in your area but I would also advice never even making it sound like you think she's part wild canine of some sort- Most of those crosses are either illegal or require special enclosures in most areas and often mean a shelter pick up is a one way trip.

First thing, we live on an acreage about 15 minutes out of town. I do not take my dog's into town anymore. For various reasons most people in these forums experience. Strays, unleashed animals and morons.

We do have neighbors, one with a great perignase *spelling*, the others have a gigantic husky *that could be mistaken to look wild* as most Huskies look. They all know my dog.

Also I do not let my dog's just run around our acreage at will. They go for their potty breaks supervised. We may live on an acreage surrounded by farms fields, but people still find it necessary to drive 80 kilometers down a dirt road, or faster. My dog's are being trained to stay away from the road, but they still get retarded with a vehicle driving by.

We take them behind our acreage and behind the green belt for their unleashed walks. Basically it's the green belt and miles of farm fields.

Besides family members, I just refer to her as a Husky mutt.
 

Lovesalldogs2013

Little Dog
Which brings me to another question.

How would/do I train my dog's to stay away from the road? I have tried everything. They get so focused they don't listen. We have only lived on this acreage for two years. My older two dog's spent their lives in a fenced yard. Lucky *the husky* spent her first year kinda behind a fenced yard. When she wasn't digging her way out.

Any suggestion on training them to stay away from the road would be so very very very helpful. I have restrained myself from beating their asses I get so damn fucking mad.

In the house, I am queen hear me roar. They listen to me, usually I don't even have to speak, I just use hand gestures and energy.
For example: At suppertime all I have to do is stand up, snap my fingers and point to the living room. They know to go lay down while we are eating.

Outside, I am nothing hear me meow.
I need help getting them to listen to me outside.
 

Swolf

Little Dog
First thing, we live on an acreage about 15 minutes out of town. I do not take my dog's into town anymore. For various reasons most people in these forums experience. Strays, unleashed animals and morons.

We do have neighbors, one with a great perignase *spelling*, the others have a gigantic husky *that could be mistaken to look wild* as most Huskies look. They all know my dog.

Also I do not let my dog's just run around our acreage at will. They go for their potty breaks supervised. We may live on an acreage surrounded by farms fields, but people still find it necessary to drive 80 kilometers down a dirt road, or faster. My dog's are being trained to stay away from the road, but they still get retarded with a vehicle driving by.

We take them behind our acreage and behind the green belt for their unleashed walks. Basically it's the green belt and miles of farm fields.

Besides family members, I just refer to her as a Husky mutt.

Morons out in the country just like everywhere else, you're just lucky and don't have to deal with them as much usually. :lol:
I actually ran into more loose dogs (strays or just animals let out because people are idiots) out on the road and even in my own fields in Floyd county Virginia (one stop light in the entire county to give you an idea how far out we were) than I do in my current location in the middle of Saint Petersburg, Florida. Lots more guns out in the country too with people able to use one (in general and legally) with no problems shooting something that looks like a cyote, at least where I'm from.
Do ya'll ever have issues with trespassing (especially for hunting)? Even walking with the dog on a leash... well people can be stupid.

I hope you don't think I was trying to imply that you are being irresponsible with your dog at all. I was just suggesting something like a brightly colored collar could save her life if the unthinkable were to happen (Never had a dog get loose myself, but we've still got the collar, tags, chips, and so on just in case) and that it might be unwise to publicly speculate her being part wild canine mostly for the potential legal issues were it to get to the wrong person.
 

_unoriginal

Cow Dog
I would never trust a dog (much less a drivey high energy dog) to be outside uncontained, supervision or not.

When I was growing up, we did allow my dogs to be outside off leash on our property only (no fence). They were not drivey, high energy dogs. They did know their boundaries, however once or twice they'd get the idea to take off after something. It was irresponsible of us to allow them to remain off leash. Dogs aren't robots. Sometimes they don't listen and I will never make that mistake again.
 
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