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Guard Dog

Discussion in 'Dog Debates' started by Genevieve!, Feb 10, 2013.

  1. Lee D

    Lee D Good Dog

    yeah...well i do have some Buffalo Bore hard cast deep penetrating bear loads for my .44 :grin:
    and dont ask me why, i live in Iowa...not exactly bear country LOL
     
  2. MJJean

    MJJean GRCH Dog

    I go more with the expect your breed to show some or all of it's known characteristics and keep in mind your dog is an individual line of thinking when it comes to dogs guarding or protecting the home and family.

    I have stories of a Toy Poodle, a Boston Terrier, 2 different APBT and an AB successfully protecting me personally from a very real threat. These same dogs are/were also very people friendly under normal circumstances.

    For my personal current dogs:

    Ike will watch and see. He has watched meter readers and roofers, repair men and estimators come and go without making a sound. Just watched to see what he should do. He has also lost his damn mind when someone was breaking into my car and there is no doubt in my mind had I not moved him away he would have gone through the living room window and bitten that man. Under normal circumstances, he is extremely people friendly. This includes strangers and children who wander up to him. Not to brag too much, but I couldn't be happier with a guardian breed dog. He can absolutely tell the difference between a harmless stranger and a threat. Probably from body language and scent. Out muscle movements and our scent change in very subtle ways when we are up to no good and dogs pick up on that because they have such a highly evolved sense of smell and of human body language that even humans aren't aware of.

    Rita barks a good game, but the minute the human comes toward her she either wants to be loved and love in return or she will walk away and avoid someone she just doesn't like. And I have only found one person she just doesn't like. The next door neighbor. She won't come to the fence to let him pet her or to take treats. However, to be fair, the other dogs like him just fine and Rita's reaction could be because he didn't know she was an allergy dog and gave her a treat which caused a round of frantic itching and discomfort until I realized what happened and gave her some Benedryl. So it could be that she associates him with the extreme and immediate discomfort of the reaction and wants to avoid him because of it.

    Owen barks a good game, too, and will go to check things out. But he is also very human friendly and I can't see him actually doing anything about a bad guy. being a hound, when he alert barks I am pretty sure everyone on the block knows there is something afoot.

    Renee is another dog who is so people friendly I can't see her doing anything about a threat. But she is also still an immature dog and she may mature into more territorial instincts. She has started alert barking, but she goes back to whatever she was doing right away if any of the other dogs are also alerting.

    As far as meter readers or repair men or children getting bitten, legally in MI a dog can bite in protection of home and family and can bite trespassers. However, the law also states an exception for people who have to come onto private property with little or no notice in the line of duty such as police, mail carriers, fire fighters, meter readers, utility repair persons, etc. Which is why I keep my gate locked so no one can go back without either climbing the fence or knocking on the door to notify me. That is also one of reasons why my dogs are never outside without supervision.
     
  3. monkeys23

    monkeys23 GRCH Dog

    Gun people like to collect cool gun stuff thats why Lee! LOL!

    Sure LGD's are meant to protect against predators or loose dogs or whatever, but it'd be a real bad idea to trot up to a dog with its band of sheep out on public land and try to pet it. Wouldn't go well mkay! They are not pets and I would not expect a working LGD to be stranger friendly. And its sorta their job to keep an eye on things anyway.

    We've always had llamas to guard our sheep, though the last one was kinda worthless. Hopefully the next one does better. Though I kinda wish my stepdad would be open to the idea of getting a burro to guard them, that would fun! The llama we had before Liberty was named Henry and he was pretty friendly to me, but he wouldn't let anyone else touch him. We tried to worm him once... that was... interesting. Before the three llamas my stepdad had a pyranees... erm yeah she sucked at her job despite being raised out there with the sheep and jumped ship to live with the town drunk and basically be town mascot. And the town drunk went and got another after she passed of old age, lol.

    The people who found and coordinated the getting of my parent's current BC have a Pyraneese and she sits with him while he eats so that he knows her enough to have an attachment with her so that they can do stuff with the ewes without a problem. He's pretty friendly if you are with his people. Of course he lives out with the sheep 24/7/365.

    Lily and my parent's BC are good little watchdogs that are also social. I hope they never have to actually guard us because I'd rather they not get hurt. Scout will bark if the dogs alert on something and she notices stuff, but she's not a watchdog like Lily is. And really if I need more than their bark and the way they look... well lets hope I get to my firearm quickly because we'll need more than some barking dogs if its that serious.
     
  4. G-X

    G-X Big Dog

    It would be the shart of the century for sure

    Google that ish!!!!!!!
     
  5. Joey&Zoey

    Joey&Zoey Good Dog

    Zoey is not HA, but she is protective by loyalty means and has proven to be so. As a general view, I am a firm believer that, when you bond with a dog by an extremely loyal degree, regardless of the breed, when real danger/threats comes knocking, well, I would never fault a dog for protecting it's owner/family, no matter it's breed.
     
  6. Beret

    Beret Bullyflop

    Garp is VERY people friendly, not at all territorial of the house, and doesn't give a damn who invades my bubble when we're out walking.

    That said..

    A while ago, my male roommate and I were play fighting and getting pretty into it (I don't know why, may have had a few). Garp has grown up with him and adores his. Anywho, he did NOT like what was going on. He started barking, hopped in between us, stood up and put his paws on P's chest, and started barking in his face.

    I said "Garp, enough. All done." We stopped, went and sat down, and it was all over.

    I think that if I were being attacked, he definitely would not stand idly by. Not sure he'd do more than just bark and freak out, but who knows. However, someone breaking into my house and not laying a hand on me? They'd probably be met with a wiggly butt and some kisses.
     
  7. momtosadie

    momtosadie Big Dog

    I think it is in almost every dog's nature to protect their home and family. I don't mean by attacking intruders, but by watching and listening and alerting you to the fact that someone is close tothe house etc. I suppose there are some that just don't care. But every dog I've had (and most of them have been rescued mutts) is very serious about barking at strangers or noises etc. Unfortunately that means that I know when everyone across the street goes to their mailbox or takes out the trash and god forbid that someone actually come into our drive that really gets a response.

    I don't expect my dog to protect me by attacking intruders, but especially for us in the country where police are often far away, a dog is a wonderful first alert that something may not be right. If Sadie barks, especially at night, when our neighborhood is super quiet, I always check out the yard etc. She hears and sees things I can't.

    If someone was attacking one of us or breaking in the house and Sadie took a notion to tear into him, that would be ok with me. I just don't want her to get hurt. If she could occupy the intruder till dh or I can get the gun, that would be great. Job well done.
     
  8. Lee D

    Lee D Good Dog

    I wouldn't want to have to go to court if my dog bit someone. criminals tell lies... something like "I was just drunk/confused, and thought I was locked out of my own house so I tried to crawl thru a window. next thing I knew a terrible pit bull attacked me. now gimme my money!" believe it or not, that shit happens, and us owners are often found liable for emotional distress and medical bills.
     
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  9. MJJean

    MJJean GRCH Dog

    I was in a doctor office reading a Readers Digest many years ago. You know, when dinosaurs roamed the 'burbs and shit was printed on paper.

    Anyways, there was a ridiculous lawsuit article featuring a little old lady living in NYC that had a man break into her home while she was away and he got bitten by her Toy Poodle. The cops got called, I think she either came home and ran to a neighbor or the neighbor called and she arrived about the same time the cops did. The guy was arrested and convicted of home invasion and then successfully sued the woman for something like $32,000 in medical bills, pain and suffering, and mental anguish. I believe she was appealing the decision when they went to print.

    State law here allows for a dog to protect home and family, but I do agree it can be a crap shoot in court and it's best to have a digital camera or something to help back you up on any claims if an incident were to happen. At least be aware of the laws, take precautions in addition to a dog like an alarm system and signs as well as good fucking locks on all doors and windows and then hope for the best.
     
  10. G-X

    G-X Big Dog

    Thats shitty that the court would award the guy money. I have heard a few stories like that. If i was the judge i would of told the dude he owes the old lady and stop being a little bitch.


    Google that ish!!!!!!!
     
  11. BugsyBob

    BugsyBob Little Dog

    This happens, sure. It kind of depends on the social climate of the area you live in. This case happened in uber liberal NYC. Forr God's sake though, get a better lawyer if you lose this case! Was the defendant's rights to be trespassing infringed upon? Dogs are going to do what dogs do, and if one does attack an intruder, it's not the same thing as that same dog getting loose from it's owner and attcking a random person on the street.
     
  12. Cofla

    Cofla Big Dog

    A few years ago I went to visit my cousin in Boston for Xstmas and of course we took Ella (rip) with us, four years old at the time and super friendly people loving GSG-lab-rottweiler X.
    We spend a couple of days at his house, his son, around 16/17 at the time used to take her out for walks, alone or with us and everything was great, one night my cousin and me are like two couch potatoes in the couch, feet on the coffee table, dog sleeping on the floor to the left of coffee table and in front the kid is showing us the different games on his new WII, dog always sleeping, then the kid gets to the tennis game as soon as he lift the hand with the controller in a gesture like you are serving in a tennis match (You know what I mean)pointing and looking towards the TV set, not me, Ella jump up and stood squarely in front of him and started barking seriously at him really loud and concerned,he obviously got scared, she was around 62 pounds, I jump up reassured and stopped her, obviously the kid stop all motion. I didn't blame Ella she had a good reaction and it was cool with me (and my cousin), she didn't kept any grudge with kid for the reminder of the trip and subsequent mutual visits.
    I was surprised and proud of her.

    Eddy
     
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  13. GamebredNupe

    GamebredNupe Banned

    Yea the Bully Kutta breeds are something else arent they? They don't want them here in the States and I can understand why. I would not say pits would make good guard dogs because most aren't much of barkers and I've never owned one that would bite a human but have seen a few. Good dogs that are bred for it should be able to tell whether someone is a threat or not or just a stranger that they are not use to. I'm getting into the Bandogges and mastiffs..a friend of mine has shown me some excellent things about these breeds.
     
  14. CallSignOWL

    CallSignOWL Good Dog

    too bad you stuck two mixed breed dogs together without knowing anything about mastiffs/bandoggs....
     
  15. GamebredNupe

    GamebredNupe Banned

    O I'm not...I trust his opinion and he knows a lot more about them
     
  16. CallSignOWL

    CallSignOWL Good Dog

    you didnt even know what a "zulu" mastiff was and then you bred it. I would think that a bit more research should be going into any type of breeding, especially a type of a dog you dont know much about.
     
  17. GamebredNupe

    GamebredNupe Banned

    Neither did anyone else in the mastiff forum lol...but I've raised this dog from a pup and like what I see...which is more important than the origin of the breed. I trust the word of the guy I got the dog from. He raises various mastiff breeds and I met him dealing with pits.
     
  18. Ali132

    Ali132 Good Dog

    Funny because last I heard they were being introduced to America in the next couple years.
     
  19. GamebredNupe

    GamebredNupe Banned

    Never said they wouldn't get here look how long its taken. Money can buy a life. I know a indian girl here whose family is prominent and her husband just bought a bull terr breed for $10, 000
     
  20. Beki

    Beki Good Dog Premium Member

    Pssst, they have been here for a little while now, just not something you would see walking in for a Vet visit, we usually have to go to them. ;)


    And as for your prominent friends purchase.....a fool and his money.....
     

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